Can someone comment on Silver Deputy or Rich Cream? I’m glad everyone likes Spectacular Bid, I have a Grand daughter and got a gorgeous foal.
Thanks
I’ll hit the controversial one:
Unbridled - Athletic as all get out, can pass on issues in Knees and ankles.
Unbridled Song - Long been tagged as “unsound” the majority of the US babies do hold up to sport horse demands far better than racing. Eight Belles was a tragedy but she had two parents and her dam lines weren’t the most sound as possible lines either. The bigger thing with both Unbridled and Unbridled Song is that these kids can have an “attitude” that can be challenging for ammies.
On of the best lines no one appreciates (On a big scale) - Tour D’Or. Great minds, movers and soundness. Buy one if you can, they’re usually chestnut and near Florida.
Thing people miss in pedigrees - Hard Knocking mares. My beloved Petey is a lovely son of Dance with Ravens, but the biggest thing that thrilled me about his pedigree was seeing Shuvee in there. She was a tough mare who would have been a millionaire if she had run more recently than she did. Look hard at what the mares in a pedigree are. Especially ones bred to big ticket sires, not everyone is approved to breed to a ‘name.’ Those that are usually earned the right.
Emily
Gone West, Elusive Quality–pretty, athletic, and good brains.
My 3yo gelding out of a clever trick mare and by a storm cat son is quite ammy friendly. Anybody could ride him, for reals.
Storm Cat son specifically good: Giants Causeway (who is in Europe). He has a full brother in NY named Freud.
Sadlers Wells–athletic and sound.
Like silver deputy as.far as mind but a lot I have dealt with were long lanky gangly things until about six or seven. Fappiano leading down to unbridled well these are my favorites but I like a lot of spunk and think for itself horse. Tend to be pretty well balanced though some can have odd hind end conformation. As others have said doesn’t affect athletic ability though. One concern with that line can be soundness especially where unbridled song is involved. If you don’t mind a little fire they can be a lot of fun. Have done well in all disciplines and my dressage horse is out of a unbridled line stallion. I’m also a fan of grindstone for the hunter ring very nice quiet athletic souls. Silver charms tend to do well and some of the most correct I have seen tb wise. Course I am an old blood line person myself and seek those. What a pleasure nice stable temperaments. I’m not a fan of the slew line because I have found many to be extremely difficult. Not many become available but my preference for an event type horse is Sky Classic. Big solid horses, sound, very rideable, and are bred for distance so the big open gallop of cross country appeals to them. Plus my experience is sharp and very brave. Old line wise ack ack though tend to be small and a little light are sturdy and really want to please. Very stable. I’m not a fan of the storm cat line for personal reasons. Found many I worked with (and a lot having worked for overbrook) had nasty temperaments and I just don’t care to deal with that no matter how talented you are. Unbridled line is sensitive but try hard generally, but storm cats a bunch out there that need culled from breeding stock unless crossed with a very good mare temperament wise. Just my opinion but I have dealt with several of these lines enough to see trends. Oh one that I really like pleasant colony - had a colonial.affair daughter flashy mover and sound as could be. Loved her and went on to be a nice AA mount for a client.
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Gone West, Elusive Quality–pretty, athletic, and good brains.
My 3yo gelding out of a clever trick mare and by a storm cat son is quite ammy friendly. Anybody could ride him, for reals.
Storm Cat son specifically good: Giants Causeway (who is in Europe). He has a full brother in NY named Freud.
Sadlers Wells–athletic and sound.[/QUOTE]
He’s in KY, he’s never covered a mare in Europe.
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On of the best lines no one appreciates (On a big scale) - Tour D’Or. Great minds, movers and soundness. Buy one if you can, they’re usually chestnut and near Florida.
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I loved my Tour D’Or gelding, but he was nuts, not smart, and developed neck arthritis around age 9. Fancy mover though, and gorgeous!
http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedigree.cfm?page_state=ORDER_AND_CONFIRM&reference_number=4023391
Interesting. I know nothing about bloodlines, but it’s nice to see Dixieland Band on there. My mare is by Capitalimprovement (Dixieland Band x Homewrecker), and that’s the first I’ve really seen anything about her bloodlines mentioned anywhere. She’s BIG and athletic, but she’s a bugger to ride sometimes and has soundness issues in her back. Thanks for the link to the Bloodline Brag.
Pleasant Colony - I started/groomed/galloped several PC babies, and they were all the same - tall, big boned, big heads (one was 17.3 as a 3 year old!!). All were very quiet, but they also all had soundness issues - though, I think starting them later would’ve helped.
Storm Cat - Big scopey jumpers.
Regal Talent - Soundness, big jumpers.
feet!
It would also be interesting to know something about the feet. My Tour D’Or had horrible feet, my Another Reef gelding has very good feet and can go barefoot most of the time. I have an English-bred gelding by Sea Freedom who has hooves of steel!
Perfect Soul (IRE) one of my favorites–late bloomers, but great minded, athletic and well balanced. I have a bunch in my virtual stable. You will find some offspring here and Canada as he stood there and is back at Darby Dan.
Stormy Atlantic–pretty, talented, one of the SC sires I would consider good. Has a better neck and balance than SC for sport.
Really, I would narrow this list down to horses currently standing. Going back too far just diminishes characteristics IMHO. There are exceptions to every rule–always judge the horse in front of you with a clean slate before looking deeper.
Nancy
Just FYI, I linked this thread in the FAQ Sticky at the top of the Eventing forum. I’d hate for it to get lost!! Too good a reference 
Well, I will throw one out there. I guess you would consider it an older line.
Vaguely Noble. Of the four grandchildren I know of his (three personally) they are spectacular jumpers. Even the Canadian Commercial/TB cross.
A couple that I’ve not seen mentioned:
Olden Times–tough solid horses, good jump and gallop
The Axe–really catty good jump, smart minds
Herbager–Tough, huge gallops and good jump
New lines–I’m liking several I’m seeing from Deputy Minister sons. I have one by Devon Deputy…and seen a few others by him that I’d like to have. Shame he’s dead. Crappy race horses, but nice nice nice athletes with big time jump.
BFNE - was it you who once wrote about Taylor’s Special as a sport horse sire? I’d have to go search for that post… If it was you can you elaborate on him? I’m curious because he is my mare’s paternal grandsire and he has an interesting story.
Edited to add the blurb from BFNE:
Anybody else have a Great Notion (by Elusive Quality) offspring? The one I recently sold had a great brain and was very athletic.
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BFNE - was it you who once wrote about Taylor’s Special as a sport horse sire? I’d have to go search for that post… If it was you can you elaborate on him? I’m curious because he is my mare’s paternal grandsire and he has an interesting story.
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Yes…one of my best horses was by him. He took me around my first Prelim and Intermediate, then I sold him to a woman who had only been jumping a year—and he took her up to do some mini prix. I only sold him because I started a new job and had no time–and he was the type of horse that preferred to be ridden 6-7 days a week. He’s the only horse I’ve ever really regretted selling but at least it was into a good home. I’m SURE in the hands of someone who knew anything–he would have been a 4* horse and the woman I had him said he definately would have been a GP show jumper. You didn’t even have to be accurate to jump a 4’9" course…just point him at the jump. The others I knew we also really nice…but boy that horse I had was really special. People who knew Taylor Special himself said my guy was very similar to his sire.
A friend of mine has a mare by him and has bred a few nice horses.
My nicest broodmare has herbanger in her. Man o war is actually on her papers way back ! Big solid mare. Love her attitude. By roman bend. Bought her bred to berts bubbleator and threw a nice big colt. Would have made for a nice event horse but ended up anhydrosis and well in KY he didn’t fare well. Sound guy too. Sold him to someone as a hunter. Is maturing and mellowing nicely now as a 10 yr old but can definitely be a handful. I love the unbridled lines but MUST cross with something incredibly sound.
I’m a big fan of any Hail to Reason bred horse, regardless of the son, Roberto, halo, Bold Reason, any of them. I’ve got more than my fair share. They’re all smart with a tendency to be opinionated, sound, really athletic horses. I’ve yet to meet a Pulpit bred horse (Tapit, Sky Mesa) that I didn’t want to bring home. Good size, generally well put together. I see a lot of them coming through the yearling sales, and usually wish I was wealthy enough to buy them all! I’ve had horses by several Mr Prospector sons. Fappiano is a good one, for the reasons above, love my Not For Love (Mr Pro x Dance Number). He’s a sweet, classy guy. Athletic, ammy friendly, hunter type, with a real nice jump. Also like a Fappiano son, Pentelicus (o/o Charedi) who has produced some nice eventers. Good mind, flashy babies, from the ones I’ve seen. How could I forget Rubiano? By Fappiano, o/o Ruby Slippers. Good movers, great temperaments, athletic, good jump.
Nice thread, but it begs the question of how many of each stallion’s produce is the opinion of the posters based on? Most of the posters are leaving out the damline, which is equally, if not more important. I think it’s quite limited by the number of produce to evaluate and of course, the entire pedigree is more important than just the sire. I agree, the sire is important, but not the entire picture. JMHO from someone who has been breeding for ALOT of years.
PennyG
