OTTB Pedigree COTH Compilation (TB bloodline list)

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=TKR;7239160]
Nice thread, but it begs the question of how many of each stallion’s produce is the opinion of the posters based on? Most of the posters are leaving out the damline, which is equally, if not more important. I think it’s quite limited by the number of produce to evaluate and of course, the entire pedigree is more important than just the sire. I agree, the sire is important, but not the entire picture. JMHO from someone who has been breeding for ALOT of years.
PennyG[/QUOTE]

This thread is entirely based on opinions, anecdotes, and personal experience.

If you know of any dam lines, please post them. Most of us are working off of what we know of having horses with similar sires, not dams. I’d say most of the Eventing world is going to be more familiar with the stallions than the dams, since stallions are far more prolific and have far more get.

EX: it’s more common to know or work with two Storm Bird babies than it is to work with two Terlingua babies. etc, etc. FWIW, this “problem” of not knowing a strong dam-line exists also in the WB world.

I would love to see some posters on strong dam lines - the only one I know of is the one listed above - Terlingua.

[Timex]

It’s definitely harder to follow dam
lines than the stallions. Even though I agree, wholeheartedly. But when a mare might only have a handful of babies, with stallions producing that many more foals, it’s harder to collect these sort of anecdotes.

[ivy62]

I have a really nice Candy Stripes son. He is compact, big boned and a great mind. Unfortunately, he sustained a back injury and cannot be ridden. He is one of the nicest horses I have had.
It is to bad because he is so athletic too! His dam is by Bet Twice.
Candy Stripes spent most of his stud career in South America but he has some nice relatives here. Candy Ride, Invasor and Leroidesanimaux… Yes, they are racehorses but I am sure if they crossed with a nice mare they would do well in other sports…

[chestnutmarebeware]

I have to put in a vote for Hoist the Flag—I’ve known several grandkids, and owned the best gelding ever by Oh Say, a Hoist the Flag son. Best, sweetest, easiest-to-get-along-with horses ever!

I now have two Storm Cat mares. Both are brilliantly difficult and very athletic. Both tend to melt down easily when stressed. But great feet and very sound, though neither inherited the SC knees.

[PeteyPie]

[QUOTE=beowulf;7239170]
This thread is entirely based on opinions, anecdotes, and personal experience.

If you know of any dam lines, please post them. Most of us are working off of what we know of having horses with similar sires, not dams. I’d say most of the Eventing world is going to be more familiar with the stallions than the dams, since stallions are far more prolific and have far more get.

EX: it’s more common to know or work with two Storm Bird babies than it is to work with two Terlingua babies. etc, etc. FWIW, this “problem” of not knowing a strong dam-line exists also in the WB world.

I would love to see some posters on strong dam lines - the only one I know of is the one listed above - Terlingua.[/QUOTE]

Good point about the relative numbers, comparing mare lines to stallion lines. On the same note, comparing numbers of stallions, some very good stallions have so many more offspring than others that many people are familiar with the lines of the prolific sires as opposed to the less prolific stallions. For example, a comparison of the number of foals of Broad Brush (684) with the number of Storm Cats (1452) shows how many more Storm Cats are out there. I’m not talking about success on the race track, I’m just talking about numbers and how many more horses there are which are by popular stallions.

Broad Brush was a picky breeder and his annual books were kept low; Storm Cat was unusually vigorous. But the numbers will also be reflected among those stallions who had fewer breeding seasons due to reasons such as early death or injury; they might produce wonderful sport horses but we simply don’t see that many of them so we can’t comment authoritatively (within the context of our personal opinions) because there are simply not many of them. The best example that I can think of is Broad Brush’s son, Concern. Concern sired the two-time Eclipse award winning hurdler, Good Night Shirt. I am only speculating that Concern probably produced some mighty fine sport horses, especially considering Broad Brush’s reputation for passing on soundness and toughness.

[bornfreenowexpensive]

Well I know a few dams. Grey Flight…if you can find her up close…snap those horses up. They can move and JUMP.

I also like Weekend Surprise and of course Somethingroyal

All these mares have consistently produced classly athletes and tough horses.

[beowulf]

I just wanted to bump this up - anyone have any additions?

[beowulf]

also… would a google doc be useful for this? where users can input their own information?

[FoxChaser]

FWIW, if anyone loses it, this thread does live in the Eventing FAQs Sticky.

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=FoxChaser;7934904]
FWIW, if anyone loses it, this thread does live in the Eventing FAQs Sticky.[/QUOTE]

that’s great to know!

i added a few stallions, but would love some mare suggestions too!

[vineyridge]

One horse who might be interesting to look at in the second generation now was With Approval. He was by far the best Caro son in a performance results search, stood in Canada at the end, and died not too long ago. He was out of the Buckpasser daughter Cool Mood, and anytime you have a Buckpasser daughter you’ve got a start toward something specially good.

One mare that I very much like to see in pedigrees is Bebop/Bebopper. Most famous through her son Stop The Music.

[bornfreenowexpensive]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;8126614]
One horse who might be interesting to look at in the second generation now was With Approval. He was by far the best Caro son in a performance results search, stood in Canada at the end, and died not too long ago. He was out of the Buckpasser daughter Cool Mood, and anytime you have a Buckpasser daughter you’ve got a start toward something specially good.

One mare that I very much like to see in pedigrees is Bebop/Bebopper. Most famous through her son Stop The Music.[/QUOTE]

I’ve seen a few with With Approval up close and liked them.

Got in a new filly for sale–small but nicely put together, good jump and nice mover. I know most of the lines in her pedigree. But she is by an AP Indy son Scipion. His dam’s sire is Strawberry Road. I’ve not seen one with him up close. Have there been other sport horse types by him? I like this filly well enough that will not feel bad keeping her as a broodmare if she doesn’t sell.

http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedigree.cfm?page_state=ORDER_AND_CONFIRM&reference_number=9130763&registry=T&horse_name=Scip%20the%20Sky&dam_name=Durango%20Sky&foaling_year=2011&nicking_stats_indicator=Y

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=bornfreenowexpensive;8126818]
I’ve seen a few with With Approval up close and liked them.

Got in a new filly for sale–small but nicely put together, good jump and nice mover. I know most of the lines in her pedigree. But she is by an AP Indy son Scipion. His dam’s sire is Strawberry Road. I’ve not seen one with him up close. Have there been other sport horse types by him? I like this filly well enough that will not feel bad keeping her as a broodmare if she doesn’t sell.

http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedigree.cfm?page_state=ORDER_AND_CONFIRM&reference_number=9130763®istry=T&horse_name=Scip%20the%20Sky&dam_name=Durango%20Sky&foaling_year=2011&nicking_stats_indicator=Y[/QUOTE]

Not much re: Scipion, but I’ve seen a few Strawberry Roads I would have very, very much liked in my back yard. Usually very nice movers (lofty).

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;8126614]
One horse who might be interesting to look at in the second generation now was With Approval. He was by far the best Caro son in a performance results search, stood in Canada at the end, and died not too long ago. He was out of the Buckpasser daughter Cool Mood, and anytime you have a Buckpasser daughter you’ve got a start toward something specially good.

One mare that I very much like to see in pedigrees is Bebop/Bebopper. Most famous through her son Stop The Music.[/QUOTE]

I can add both to the OP, can you give me any specific information re: offspring type?

[Beam_Me_Up]

I saw a really really nice filly by Scipion @ Finger Lakes a couple years ago. Another COTHer did buy her, I forget who, but there were riding pics on one of the old FL threads.

[eventerdrew]

I’m going to have to disagree with the line about Roberto in the first post. I have a Roberto mare who is a GORGEOUS mover and has a very pretty look to her. Very short coupled, which is something I’ve seen in a lot of Roberto horses.

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=eventerdrew;8126936]
I’m going to have to disagree with the line about Roberto in the first post. I have a Roberto mare who is a GORGEOUS mover and has a very pretty look to her. Very short coupled, which is something I’ve seen in a lot of Roberto horses.[/QUOTE]
Disagreement is absolutely encouraged!! I would love for this to be a compilation thread of collective experience and anecdotes! Everyone is going to have different experiences with different horses and sire/mare lines. :yes:

If it helps at all, what is your mare’s pedigree?

[vineyridge]

Don’t know about types, but the Bebop daughter Stepping High was the dam of Buckaroo. Buckaroo was the sire of Anderoo, who was at Sydney in eventing, and also sire of Spend A Buck.

Clifton Lush has Bebopper through his grandsire Hatchet Man. Stop The Music has 10 get with descendants who have done FEI level eventing.

Buckpasser has at least 39 with FEI level eventing descendants.

Strawberry Road had the reputation of being an iron horse.

[secretariat]

Support the With Approval comment. We’ve sold 3 or more of his babies/grandbabies, talented and good jumpers. To the best of my knowledge, all are still eventing - the two I still see are Training/Prelim horses with young riders and talent to go further.

[secretariat]

Hadn’t seen this post for a while, always love to come back to it and see the additions. Couple of comments:

Dixieland Band - we like him a lot. Megan took a Jambalaya Jazz son to the 3* and USET developing rider level; not the brightest bulb on the tree but the most stylish jumper I’ve ever seen. Fascinating breeding on this horse, sire line on both top and bottom was Northern Dancer (2x) while the mare lines, again both top and bottom, were Graustark (3x). We also bred this same mare to Monarchos, who’s a Dixieland Band on the bottom and threw a phenomenal filly who ran Prelim as a 5 year old and who had the best brain in the business.

Alydar - don’t understand why he’s not already on the list. We’ve had at least one advanced horse from this sire line (Saratoga Six). Big, tough, not very kind, and not the easiest to ride but awesome performer. And the *** horse had Alydar in him as well.