He sounds like a lovely horse! The eq classes put enough pressure on riders without having to worry about what brand of horse one is riding. Enjoy showing your horse. Enjoy bringing him up the ranks and teaching the skills he’ll need to tackle one of the big eq courses. In the end you’ll probably find that much more rewarding than worrying about whether he has a brand and a “von something” show name, regardless of how you fare in the results.
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That is what matters! Even getting your guy into finals and making it around the course would be a hell of an accomplishment. Many of us have never gotten to experience even that much.
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AmberEyes/ name change also had to do with name recognition and showing her as a Green. Stretched the rules a bit at the time, you know, an UL Eventer showing as a Green over fences. Rules have since been clarified.
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Truth!!! Good luck OP!
Wanted to add Commentary was later shown as Fonteyn, IIRC, no doubt to distance the buyer from the whole stink over the UL Eventing record under even then controversial trainer/rider ML, subject of several train wreck threads on the Eventing forum. Then showing up as a Green Hunter under the circus tent of the ever controversial LG/KF show.
No, being a TB was the last reason for changing that TBs name. I guess they thought nobody would notice or recognize the horse with new name and new Green status. Breed had nothing to do with it and inferring it did to support a bias against TBs is misinformed. It was to cover questionable status to compete as a Green.
Inspired a rule change to…to allow it. But at the time it was…questionable. The Green part, not the TB, if you are trying to prove bias, this is a bad example to cite. Not like she was a bargain to whoever bought her as a Junior Hunter,
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Lets not forget she WON that prestigious Green Championship aganst a sea of WBs. Some bias.
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findeight, I’m pretty sure that RF Amber Eyes is a WB, not a TB. ML doesn’t ride TBs ever. I just looked the horse up and she is a South German Sport horse (DSP) and her registered name is Amber Eyes de Cheverny. Her pedigree shows that her first TB ancestor is in the fifth generation.
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Also, Amber Eyes had her first name change before there was any controversy over her green status. And if they were trying to purposely fudge her green eligibility, they probably shouldn’t have given an extensive rundown on her eventing background to the Chronicle before she made her debut as a hunter:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/…g-hunter-devon
But again, another one that proves the theory that an athletic horse can do well in more than one discipline, given the chance.
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Honestly out of all three rings Equitation is my favorite because it’s kinda like combination of the jumpers and hunters, and all while looking pretty on a horse. But I think once I am a Adult Amateur I may do some medals but eventually go into the jumper ring. The hunters don’t suit my personality and my horse I have now would not win the hunter hack with his big, lots of knee canter, but who knows what could happen in 5-9 years from now. Thank you for your comment.
It would be a great experience to just get go and see the atmosphere. Really do hope I can qualify for Maclay finals but again just putting the work into trying to get there would already make me a better rider and I think that’s an accomplishment in itself.
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It honestly surprises me how much money do parents put into their kids. Seeing some these kids at show can make me feel a bit intimidated, but who cares when you’re having fun. I would definitely say my guy was a hidden gem that took some time to find but it payed off. Hopefully in a few months/years once he’s got more training and weight on him, he will really look like a professional Big Eq horse.
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The fact is that most of the kids who compete successfully at finals didn’t bring their mount along. Most are on older horses who were prepared for years in programs like Missy’s or Andre’s. Those trainers have an eye for the right natural talent and then hone it over time. If any of the big eq barns were to see that talent in a TB and choose to take the horse into their program, I’m sure it would have every chance to succeed. The fact is that most of the tbs are not making it into those big outfits (in any discipline) any more.
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When you are ready give the hunter derbies a try as well. With the option fences, and handy points etc I find them a fun combination of hunters and jumpers.
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To compare started, jumping 1.0 warm bloods against a horse straigt off the track is, on its face an unfair analysis. The trainer who imports and flips horses isn’t buying babies who have just been backed or which have never seen a jump. They aren’t starting with raw material, but are simply finding an opportunity to buy low and sell high. In that 30 day period they are probably not putting much into the horse, just maintaining his level of fitness and training.
Of course, when I was a kid my trainer did tbs in hunters and jumpers and often got them sold to show homes off 60 or 90 day programs, jumping small stuff, learning basic solid flatwork with an eye toward jumping sports. Just as in importing WBs, the key is finding the best prospect. There are fancy moving tbs out there, some blessed with great brains and a fabulous jump.
I do agree that the style of going so popular in the hunters today (very slow and stylized with a super round, almost lurching jump) doesn’t favor the tb in general. The more dressage like cadence and action as opposed to the daisy cutters of yore doesn’t favor them. I remember when warmbloods were fine for jumpers but not hunters, where a flat knee gallop was called for. I recently watched a clip of Strapless, from less than 20 years ago and her trip was amazing but would be considered to fast today. I guess I prefer a light of foot type, more closely related to the old school working hunter. Similarly, the European breeders and sellers foiled the to in the destruction of the long format event.
As for tbs in eq. If someone who is good at training eq horses picked out a few tbs who demonstrated the basic raw skills to become a big eq horse, I don’t see why they couldn’t. Somewhere up thread, someone challenged tb defenders, essentially saying “if tbs can be big eq horses, why don’t you go buy some and start making them up?” I’ve trained up my share of tbs but since I’ve never trained a big eq horse, and I doubt the person the challenge was made to has either, it’s a straw man argument. The challenge should be to Missy or Andre or those of there ilk.
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1956918704369741&id=199192973475665&fs0&focus_composer=0
OP I saw this on my Facebook. While not the Big Eq it is cool.
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Seriously?!
I’ve ridden OTTB’s that were mistaken for WB. OTTB’s come in all sizes and shapes, and temperaments.
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You obviously didn’t read all 11 pages of the thread. Sigh…
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I paid her to repeat my first post.
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:lol::lol::lol:
Wow! You must feel so special. I already said in a previous post that I have not seen one. I never said they didn’t exist. I am sure you can post a picture or better yet a video of this OTTB at a rated show doing the big Eq, which was the point of this thread.
Late to the party, I know.
RAyers, I have to ask: do you think that WBs should be competitive at the Kentucky Derby? Do you think that jockeys and race trainers just lack the horsemanship necessary to bring out a WBs best gallop?
WBs can run, they just aren’t purpose-bred for it, so it makes sense that it would be rare for a WB to be competitive against a TB who was purpose-bred to run. Especially at the sport’s top competitions.
TBs can jump, for certain, but precious few are purpose-bred for sport any more.
Thinking that a TB bred to race would be competitive against a WB doing what it was bred to do at the biggest shows in the country doesn’t make any greater sense.
