Owners not prioritizing soundness

Disclaimer that this is more of a rant. I know everyone has the right to do what they want with their horse. That doesn’t make it any less frustrating though. Hoping everything works out in this current case.

I’ve been riding others horses for the last 4-5 years and getting paid the last few years. I do it on the side and it certainly isn’t my priority, but I’ve always enjoyed working with horses and adapting to how each learns. It is also the only way I can ride right now due to finances being tied up with post-grad. During the last 5 years, I’ve encountered a number of situations where the horse comes up lame, but not 3-legged lame. It becomes very noticeable under saddle, when I get to the point of asking them to engage and has caused issues under saddle. Perhaps I am more sensitive to it because once upon a time, I wanted to be a vet and travelled with an equine vet for 4 months to help and learn. So I learned a lot about what to look for and also saw how bad it can get if the horse is pushed. Despite that, I usually only bring up the vet when I feel it has become a persisting issue that is causing issues under saddle.

More recently, I’m working with a 3 year old. Things were going really well, until the horse got kicked in the hock. No vet was called, which is fine because it seemed to have healed alright. But now, it seems the horse is off in the hind end (not sure if hock is related or not). I have been keeping an eye on it and let the owner know/ update them. It seems to be persisting and now the horse does not want to circle right without a bit of a fight and looks stiffer on the lunge line. Another boarder noticed and I had them hop on so that I could see and yes, the horse is absolutely dipping at the point of hip, when asked to engage the haunches more.

I let the owner know that the issue was getting worse, more visible under saddle, and they aren’t worried and said to keep working the horse full. When the vet comes for someone else, they will have them do a “quick” check, which I am really happy about, but unsure if a quick check will really find anything (I sure hope so). I told them that I could do other things in the meantime, to give the horse a break on their hind end until we can figure out what is going on. The owner wants me to keep working the horse full tilt under saddle and they are “okay” if the horse comes up lamer. They lunged the next day and said the horse looked sound (the horse was still off and tilting it’s SI, but it is a lot more subtle on the lunge line) and again, told me to ride if the horse wasn’t visibly limping. The thing is, the owner does not ride near what I have been asking of the horse and barely trots, so it wouldn’t be super visible I guess without that.

I realize vets are expensive these days (I have my own retired horse) and some lameness’ pass with time, but that doesn’t make it any less frustrating. I would not be out here advocating kindly for a vet if it weren’t something met with a road block. What’s more is that these owners seem to spare none for fancy tack and show expenses, but when it comes to the vet…nada. I have backed out (nicely) out of situations before and it was found a year down the road that the horse had an issue, which resulted in another rider being catapulted off after trying to push the horse past the behavior induced by pain. All these situations just have me excited for when I can eventually by another horse and not have to worry about the horse’s or my safety due to undiagnosed issues. I miss the solace that comes with working on my own horse, though I do very much appreciate the riding opportunities that have been offered to me.

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One thing to consider is that it’s a lot easier to identify lameness when the horse is, well, lame. Chasing NQR stuff can be frustrating and expensive. It’s not terribly uncommon to take those NQR horses and work them, so whatever is wrong is more apparent and clear enough to identify and treat.

You can decide if you’re okay with that, or not. But if that’s the owner’s approach, it’s not necessarily a wrong one.

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I’m here with my horses.

I have spent TONS of money chasing rabbits. I refuse to do it anymore, not only for the money side but the frustration. If a lameness is apparent, I 100% address it. NQR I will not chase anymore.

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That’s true! Thank you for pointing that out :slight_smile: I guess I feel somewhat uncomfortable doing so because my mind goes to if it is a ligament issue or something of the sort that will get worse, then that could mean extended treatment or even permanent lameness. I also feel uncomfortable because of how young the horse is. I don’t want to be making bad experiences. I always have half a mind that if the horse DOES go 3-legged lame and it’s a serious issue, it will come back on ME because I was the one to ride the horse.

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I would not work the horse until a vet has looked at it. If it were an older horse and needed some warm up and warmed out of the lameness, that’s one thing. A young horse, who’s been kicked, and doesn’t warm out of it, I’d have the vet out, .

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I suppose that is fair. See. This is why I come here with this stuff. You guys always open my eyes to other perspectives and that helps a lot! On my other reply, I guess my fears are the worse case scenario if I push the horse and where it isn’t mine.

Can I ask if your philosophy remains static regardless of age or if it changes a bit with young horses?

That’s really my fear here being the unknown. I have ridden an older horse that had pre-existing stifle issues and while I was concerned about how much I could push the horse, I wasn’t as concerned about riding because we already knew riding was therapeutic for the issue and what the issue was.

It’s a tough call to make because the others here have made a good point too.

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The fact remains that it’s just not your horse, so it’s not your call to make. I know that’s tough, and I’m sorry.

Was this horse off of work for the hock injury? It’s amazing how quickly they decondition. Have you considered if you’ve stepped back enough to allow for that loss of fitness? In people, physical therapy is very often the FIRST step before injections or surgery, it’s often even the first step before any imaging. Approaching this as a fitness issue is not unreasonable.

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Nope, it’s the same no matter what. It’s no easier to find a NQR cause on a young horse than an old horse.

I have wasted in the realm of 12-15k chasing nothing. I will not do that anymore - I’d rather spend my money treating a known problem than finding an unknown one.

If this is not your horse, you are free to decline to work with him. If I had serious doubts, that’s what I would do. I have done this in the past with a young mare who was outrageously bitchy. I didn’t know if that was just who she was or if something was wrong - she was not outright lame. Now, 15+ years later, she no longer tries to launch her rider immediately as she was doing to me back then, but she is still VERY grouchy and an unpleasant horse to work with.

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I was more-so referring to my own decision on what to do myself (do I comply to work the horse or just step back to do in-hand work).

The horse was, but not for long. I think it was 2 weeks and it was 2 months ago. The horse wasn’t even cantering at that stage. That is a good point though!

I could say this is one of the biggest rants I have. So many people… their only tool is a hammer and every problem is a nail. Therefore everything must be a training issue and it couldn’t possibly be something else.
OP, only you can decide how you should proceed. My own horse was NQR, I knew something was wrong but I could not put my finger on it. Went to a very well respected lameness vet who told me to “take her home and break her”, literally. Thanks to that nonsense it took me far longer to find and address what should have been dealt with far sooner.

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Thanks for answering!

Wow! 15K is insane :grimacing: I don’t blame you for not wanting to chase it to those heights. My own horse had a genetic disorder and was ultimately retired, but I only spent around 3K with a specialist. I do have caps in what procedures I will and won’t do.

I have refused another horse, as I mentioned previously. I’m glad it wasn’t me who got launched because there was a good amount of drama surrounding that event. I do like the owner I’m currently working with a lot and was honestly a bit surprised by this.

I totally understand what posters are saying about the NQR rabbit hole, but just to offer a contrary perspective, the lameness is tied to a specific event, so I think having a vet look at the horse is more worthwhile.

I would speak to the owner, stressing the fact that the lameness might have a concrete cause. BUT I personally would not continue to ride the horse if you’re asking much more of the horse than the owner. As someone who has leased horses, this is a personal risk for myself I don’t like to take–I don’t want to be blamed by the owner that my riding or overworking the horse is the cause of unsoundness. If the horse’s condition continues to decline, this could get ugly.

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I’ve experienced this as well. In one way, it makes sense. However, sometimes the thing that breaks is compensatory. Everyone goes “Ah Ha!” we’ve figured it out. Nope, just another compensatory problem.

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Sorry to hear about your horse! I am glad you eventually found the underlying issue! I also had something similar happen with my horse. Unfortunately, the outcome was not good, but he is living up retirement now.

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Thank you. I have spoken with the owner specifying that this is an issue that is persisting under saddle. Sadly, the owner does not see it, but I have put forth the suggestion to try and get a video of it under saddle (so that when the vet does come, they can see exactly what is occurring).

Being blamed for the lameness is something I am concerned about. The owner outright told me “I won’t blame you…” but it is one thing to say it, another if it actually happens.

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Sadly, if the lameness becomes worse and the owner does get a vet in after more damage has been done, the last thing you want is any blame attached to you for worsening the injury.

I understand where you’re coming from, being in a similar financial position with horses, but it’s always better to end things on good terms, “I’d feel more comfortable taking a break until he’s 100% himself, since I do canter him regularly,” than be the “person who made the horse lame through her riding after a little nothing of a tap” (I know that’s not what happened, but you never know what the person might think).

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No exactly. I have told the owner previously that I can do groundwork with the horse instead to give the hind end a break. They have been encouraging me to ride and I do feel uncomfortable with that notion, where it is not my horse. I was unsure of whether to comply and the different perspectives here make good points. It’s just that it is a risk I’ll be taking on my reputation as well if something happens on my riding, so something I want to weigh carefully. It would also break my heart if the horse developed a debilitating injury both for the horse and the owner, who has high hopes for this horse.

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I agree with Impractical_Horsewoman; You’ve already told the owner your feelings and that you’d continue to do groundwork, and that’s what I’d do. Good idea to put in one more ride that’s video’d so the vet can look at that.

People always say they won’t blame you, but when it gets down to it, you will be blamed. If owner is determined the horse be ridden, tell them they need to get someone else. It is about your reputation, but in my eyes, more about the horse.

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I think it’s understandable that you don’t want to push the horse into a worse injury, especially since this NQR ties back to a known cause (the kick to the hock).

Could you suggest to the owner that you would continue to work the horse under saddle at the advice of the vet? That could help with the possible blame game should it get worse - the owner has consulted with the vet, and the vet advised you to continue on with under saddle work. Even if the vet doesn’t come out to see the horse, but the owner speaks with him/her - at least you’d have that to fall back on.

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