^ heh I snickered so hard at “ages-old hoe” 
[QUOTE=SilverBalls;6132236]
FWIW ~ I have seen many horses ( more lately ) that are purchased here and trainers change names and say they are imported. :eek: I think breeders need to follow the horses they breed ( to the best of their ability ) and make this known somehow…;)[/QUOTE]
what???
it is logical that this would happen but i cant believe the nerve of some folks!
Along the lines of what SilverBalls said, I’ve witnessed first hand a horse suddenly becoming a registered KWPN Dutch warmblood with “lost papers”. He was 1/2 hackney 1/2 harness horse and not registered and bred in the US. He was black with chrome and mellow. Big return on investment for the owner whom I have no respect for.
I was lucky enough that I bought my horse from the breeder (very small operation) and she wasn’t yet registered (still isn’t, actually, since the NASF went under), so she only came to me with a barn name, which she retained. I told breeder what name I plan to show her under, and she likes it/approves of it.
I’m not a breeder, though I would like to do some small-scale breeding at some point later on down the line. I don’t know if I will attach a prefix or suffix to whatever horses I breed. Probably not, honestly, because I know that naming a horse is suuuuuuch a personal thing. In naming my mare, I picked something that paid homage to her heritage in a way, but also meant something to me (French Curve - she’s SF (French) and a french curve is a manual drafting tool I’ve always loved, because I’m a weirdo).
“Backstage MF” did elicit some snickering over here, I’ll have you know - then I looked up mare’s show name on Urban Dictionary myself. Well, I did not know it had an UD meaning! Oh well. I think Backstage + MF = probably a more instantaneous giggle than French Curve.
If my horse’s breeder called me crying… well… I don’t think that conversation would go well.
Evidently I missed a whole bunch while away…
[QUOTE=MaggieF;6131848]
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That’s where Backstage came from. I don’t know where some of you sickos come from but I know of no other meaning to the word backstage. Frankly, I don’t want to know what disgusting meaning some of you have invented.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
As I said before, two years ago I switched to just M out of respect to several other breeders who use MF and have been using it far longer than we have. MaryDell Farm, Marefield, etc. I wonder how happy they are going to be about this crap you guys are slinging?
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The great thing about the COTH forums’ is the ability to share ideas and ask questions. Apparently sharing EMOTIONS, and heartbreaks is a no no. Really sad. I’m sure that if I posted that someone broke into my house and shot all my dogs one of you would find a way to blame it on me!!! Let me be really clear here. I am laughing at those of you who are so gross, not crying!!! I am not even offended. Just shaking my head and walking away.:no::lol::winkgrin:
Here’s the deal though…A promise was made and confirmed several times in different conversations. It was discussed and confirmed again when I had the Hanoverian papers put into his name. This is actually more about the deception than the actual name change. … THIS is what made me so upset. I can’t quite figure out how some of you understood this perfectly right away and some of you are just so dense. Maybe it’s just the “I’m going to be as mean as I can to make myself feel important” high school syndrome!!!
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Maggie[/QUOTE]
Easy OP.
Bolding all mine. Oh, and edited for space.
- others have pointed out, we didn’t invent the alternate meaning, we just know it. Blame society for using euphemisms in stead of the actual term, if you have to blame someone.
2)I doubt any other farms care about our snickering at “MF”. They might be getting quite a giggle out of this thread too. - The title of the thread is “Owners who changes horses names” NOT “When sponsorship/promotion deals don’t work”. Ths is a business deal. As such, emotions and heartache should stay at home and private. That’s the way business work.
Everyone shared their honest opinions and thoughts. And there were some darn funny ones out there.
And for future reference, excessive “!!!” and ALL CAPS (not that you used caps), generally make the poster sound angry/defensive/ranting, not funny and congenial.
[QUOTE=ponygirl;6132976]
Along the lines of what SilverBalls said, I’ve witnessed first hand a horse suddenly becoming a registered KWPN Dutch warmblood with “lost papers”. He was 1/2 hackney 1/2 harness horse and not registered and bred in the US. He was black with chrome and mellow. Big return on investment for the owner whom I have no respect for.[/QUOTE]
you know… Dutch Harness Horse ( hackney is an approved outcross for those I believe), and Dutch Warmblood… easy mix-up… they are so similar :eek:
[QUOTE=Tapperjockey;6133030]
you know… Dutch Harness Horse ( hackney is an approved outcross for those I believe), and Dutch Warmblood… easy mix-up… they are so similar :eek:[/QUOTE]
I know someone with a KWPN registered DHH cross… To everyone else, we just call him Dutch.
I have seen the miracle breed change several times. And once it was a red roan colored Appendix QH gelding that suddenly became an imported Scottish Warmblood! Ridiculous.
Seems numerous big bodied TB and TB/QH crosses and PMU horses suddenly become imported warmbloods whose papers are lost.
Heck, there was even some seller in Florida that had a warmblood brand made for herself (I think Hanoverian) and was branding these mutts as “proof” they were imported warmbloods.
I can’t quote from this computer but there were a few other posts from the OP since the one you quoted amm2cd that make me think she realizes the err of her ways after she looked up the meaning of “backstage,” and IMO she’s been a good sport about the ribbing since.
I have never seen the magical breed change that I can recall but around here I’ve heard of people keeping the papers from one horse to then use on another, and also people charging one price for the horse if his papers come with (way more $$$ - I know of one horse there was a 1k difference in price) and another without. The latter especially makes me mad because in some instances having their identity can literally save the life of a horse, say if the horse winds up in an auction yard. All the scenarios are horribly dishonest of people, too.
We use the suffix of “Ace” on some (but not all) of our foals. It stands for Antero Champion Equines, but also is just a word without a weird meaning that helps our names be unique enough for the AHS, so works for us. (Though maybe I should go check out urban dictionary and make sure Ace also isn’t something horrible!!) So, from us you will see Regazzo Ace, Galesteo Ace, Dahlia Ace, etc. etc. I don’t use the suffix as much with the Westphalian foals because they will let me name my horse whatever I want, and I am one of those people that aren’t crazy about initials at the end of the name, especially if it makes the name hard to say over a loudspeaker.
My husband is not a horse person, but does our accounting and websites and videos and such. This reminds me when he came in one day and said he had the perfect name for our website! “Horses Exchange” Yeah, you got it:
^ :lol:
I think the Urban Dictionary will turn almost any word into something gross. “Ace” had to get to the 30th meaning before that happened. But it did happen. I think I will stick with Webster’s. Yuck.
[QUOTE=Antero Equestrian;6133288]
We use the suffix of “Ace” on some (but not all) of our foals. It stands for Antero Champion Equines, but also is just a word without a weird meaning that helps our names be unique enough for the AHS, so works for us. (Though maybe I should go check out urban dictionary and make sure Ace also isn’t something horrible!!) So, from us you will see Regazzo Ace, Galesteo Ace, Dahlia Ace, etc. etc. I don’t use the suffix as much with the Westphalian foals because they will let me name my horse whatever I want, and I am one of those people that aren’t crazy about initials at the end of the name, especially if it makes the name hard to say over a loudspeaker.
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Well of course ‘Ace’ does have a drug relationship.
For example, “Regazzo on Ace” might be a deal breaker.
I’d not want a horse with ‘ace’ in the name as it might be saying ‘drug testers!!, over here, this one needs to be tested’.
[QUOTE=S A McKee;6133365]
Well of course ‘Ace’ does have a drug relationship.
For example, “Regazzo on Ace” might be a deal breaker.
I’d not want a horse with ‘ace’ in the name as it might be saying ‘drug testers!!, over here, this one needs to be tested’.[/QUOTE]
Well, when you buy one of my foals, then I give you permission to change the name!
One of my 2011 foals was a Quaterback filly, and since i live in the Southwest (NM) and she was my 15th foal, I named her Quinceañera (which is a big 15th birthday party in many hispanic cultures). I am 95% sure her name will be changed sometime in her life since most people don’t know how to pronounce it, but I love it!
[QUOTE=Antero Equestrian;6133400]
Well, when you buy one of my foals, then I give you permission to change the name!
One of my 2011 foals was a Quaterback filly, and since i live in the Southwest (NM) and she was my 15th foal, I named her Quinceañera (which is a big 15th birthday party in many hispanic cultures). I am 95% sure her name will be changed sometime in her life since most people don’t know how to pronounce it, but I love it![/QUOTE]
Ahhh, Antero, you made my day. Not only by the very classy response to SA McKee, but also with your story of your Quaterback filly.
I too have a youngster who is bound to have his name changed. He is by Ruiz Soler (who was named for a very famous Flamenco dancer in the 50’s and 60’s in Spain). After research - that included the Spanish professsor at the college that employed me - I named him Ruiz Airoso. Pronounced Roo Eeez air-ROW-so. It means “graceful ruler” and fit him perfectly as a foal.
I love the name, it means something to me, and fortunately for me I can’t read the Spanish version of Urban Dictionary to forever spoil it.
Yes, I’m sure it will be changed. And I’ll complete and pay for the name changes with USEF and the AHS when he is sold.
I think the buyer should have every right to change the name if they dislike it. However, they should also follow through with the proper paper work and always list the breeders information on all forms. Honestly, I don’t think the prefix/suffix holds much weight in the warmblood world. Many major breeders stand multiple stallions and/or use outside semen in their breeding programs. So knowing where it was bred won’t necessarily tell you anything about the bloodlines. Then when you throw in the fact that studs can be licensed by multiple stud books, you may not even know what book the resulting horse is registered with without looking it up. It is so different from the pony/arab/QH world that it is hard to compare them.
Bottom line, you usually have to look up the information on a horse to get to any real info anyways. It would be best to use our energy on creating a successful system of identification to track breeding information.
Imo you missed the point. It is not that you shared emotions, it is HOW you expressed those emotions to a client. Very unprofessional from the perspective of many others here, myself included, when you are conducting a BUSINESS.
Again, yes, the new owner should have held to his word. However he didn’t. You closed all lines of communication when you behaved the way you did, and in continuing to behave the way you are now (if he sees this thread with his name published). Imo professionalism is VERY important. Even if the other party is unprofessional.
Honestly, I don’t think the prefix/suffix holds much weight in the warmblood world. Many major breeders stand multiple stallions and/or use outside semen in their breeding programs. So knowing where it was bred won’t necessarily tell you anything about the bloodlines.
It may not tell you anything about the bloodlines per se, but I think it can sometimes give you an “assumption of quality” (or lack thereof) if you’re familiar with the prefix/suffix. Sort of like the assumption of quality you might make when you see a Mercedes emblem versus a Yugo emblem on a car. You’re not going to expect Mercedes quality from the Yugo, and vice versa. I can only think of two suffixes at the moment – ISF (because they are huge) and MLW (because she is local). Although both of these breeders use multiple stallions etc., I would still have a certain expectation of quality when I see their suffixes, because they are both quality breeding programs. (I wouldn’t expect either of them to breed a Yugo!) So I think a suffix can carry weight in the warmblood world also…
I use a suffix (ROF) with my own foals. It’s probably meaningless in warmblood circles, but I’ve been having some successes and building a reputation as a Friesian Sporthorse breeder, so I think ‘ROF’ is beginning to mean something in Friesian Sporthorse circles. I also use a city-theme naming my foals, because my stallion is ‘Lexington’, and before him was ‘Charleston’. (I’ve had foals with names like Lancaster ROF, Lauderdale ROF, etc.) I’m thrilled that so far everyone who has bought a foal has kept the name and suffix – but I know they don’t have to, and inevitably the day will come when someone will rename one of my foals something I may not care for, but hopefully they’ll still credit me as the breeder and maybe keep my suffix grin.
Having said all that though, while horse names are entirely a matter of personal preference, I agree wholeheartedly that we need for the USEF to adopt the UELN numbering system, and for every horse to have one lifetime number, and for us to have access to a much better tracking system in this country.
As a side note, maybe we should have a thread with prefixes / suffixes 
I’ve already remembered a few more: RSF, HU, SCS, Hidden Promise (the last two are FSA breeders.)
-Gigha
[QUOTE=Cloverbarley;6132499]
D’you know, I was thinking about you as this thread kept developing :lol:
And another of Maggie’s horses - Carry On MF :lol:[/QUOTE]
Thank you everyone for such a great laugh tonight! I not only feel much better but had the whole barn in hysterics today looking through Urban Dictionary.
Carry On was named this because his sire Corlando wasn’t doing very well when this colt was born and actually died a few weeks later. I took it from the song lyrics “Carry On my wayward son.” BUT…we all thought the MF deal was hysterical! Carry On Mother F***er is a favorite expression at the barn (joking of course). He like the others will be Carry On M soon.
So many great and thought provoking comments. We have a lot of work to do to get some better systems in place. Working on it.
To those of you keep insisting on commenting on my unprofessionalism, clearly you did not get that this guy was NOT a client. Whole different deal.
I love the name Backstage Pass! Wish I had thought of it. Of course now I’m thinking of some punk kid saying, "I got a backstage pass, M** F**! Or one gay guy saying to another, “want a backstage pass?” ROTHFLMAO!!:lol::eek:
Thanks again for a great thread!
Maggie
I’m a longtime small breeder who also rides, trains, buys and sells horses. I’m a realist. Most of my clients are not buying my young horses to glorify my breeding program. They want to buy a horse that will glorify THEIR training and showing program and their ability to find talented young prospects. Sometimes they are happy to share a little of the glory, sometimes not.
Personally, I’m pleased when a buyer appreciates the breeding of their new animal and appropriately credits my farm as the breeder of the horse and appropriately transfers papers and pedigree when the horse sells. I do not use prefixes/suffixes and I am fine with owners changing the horse’s name as long as it is done properly through the registry and not for the purpose of obfuscating the horse’s identity.
I can’t really believe that the OP was upset about a straightforward name change…I mean, seriously, I’ve watched horses that I lovingly bred, broke, and took to their first shows be mentioned in magazines as “found out in a field.” I’ve seen horses that I bred have their name/age/identity changed multiple times and no one knows anything about them when they are the new winner on the scene, and I feel funny to take any credit because I know more details about the horse (such as actual age and actual show record) that the current owner either doesn’t know or probably wouldn’t want shared.
Personally I find most prefixes/suffixes annoying. I occasionally buy a young horse and I’ve never run into this trouble, but I can tell you that I would be turned off by a seller with a sales contract that insisted on this. I mean, seriously, names are such a personal thing. To me, the IDENTITY of the horse is what is important, not the actual name. If the identity is correct, anyone can look the horse up and see that I bred it and what its pedigree is.
I 100% support a program whereby competing horses would be microchipped, either in the first year of life as part of the registration process or upon initiation into recognized showing. This is essential to our sport.
To sum up, I will say to the OP that if you really want all the glory and recognition for the horses you breed, you need to keep them, train them and show them yourself. In recent years (partly due to the crappy market) I’ve retained a few of my young horses and taken them farther with their showing than I normally do. This has been the absolute best form of advertising ever. People see me with a string of gorgeous young horses (I’m not the least bit proud of my babies :)) and they ask, “Where did you get them?” Ironically, I’m getting out of doing much breeding because recently the economics of it haven’t made sense. But, FWIW, I’ve been kicking myself for not having taken this approach in the past.
