Pain Tolerance: How much did that really hurt?

When she gets hurt we tell her to calm down and breathe and we take a look at whatever is wrong.

If it’s not bleeding or broken we ask them to stay calm and get control so that we can help them. If it’s really minor we tell them to clean it and move on.

We show empathy but no coddling if it’s not requiring treatment. For the 5 year old I just go , really? Look at mine! Now that has back fired and we’ve caught her trying to just treat her wounds herself.

The one in question has always leaned towards dramatics when it comes to injuries. I’ve never babied her over them but she definently over reacts. Even if the pain is as bad as she thinks it is we can’t even deal with it until she calms down, which really gets to me. I try to explain to her that if it is that serious she needs to stop so we can HELP her. And if it turns out to not be that serious does she really want everyone to remember her wailing over it?

She’s a great kid but it’s exasperating.

Her trainer is a great guy and helped get her calmed down by tough love. It was great to see as it was only her third time with him, and he messaged me later to make sure she really was okay. When he left he told her she better still show improvement before their next session, he wasn’t letting her off so easy.

When she gets hurt we tell her to calm down and breathe and we take a look at whatever is wrong.

If it’s not bleeding or broken we ask them to stay calm and get control so that we can help them. If it’s really minor we tell them to clean it and move on.

We show empathy but no coddling if it’s not requiring treatment. For the 5 year old I just go , really? Look at mine! Now that has back fired and we’ve caught her trying to just treat her wounds herself.

The one in question has always leaned towards dramatics when it comes to injuries. I’ve never babied her over them but she definently over reacts. Even if the pain is as bad as she thinks it is we can’t even deal with it until she calms down, which really gets to me. I try to explain to her that if it is that serious she needs to stop so we can HELP her. And if it turns out to not be that serious does she really want everyone to remember her wailing over it?

She’s a great kid but it’s exasperating.

Her trainer is a great guy and helped get her calmed down by tough love. It was great to see as it was only her third time with him, and he messaged me later to make sure she really was okay. When he left he told her she better still show improvement before their next session, he wasn’t letting her off so easy.

When she gets hurt we tell her to calm down and breathe and we take a look at whatever is wrong.

If it’s not bleeding or broken we ask them to stay calm and get control so that we can help them. If it’s really minor we tell them to clean it and move on.

We show empathy but no coddling if it’s not requiring treatment. For the 5 year old I just go , really? Look at mine! Now that has back fired and we’ve caught her trying to just treat her wounds herself.

The one in question has always leaned towards dramatics when it comes to injuries. I’ve never babied her over them but she definently over reacts. Even if the pain is as bad as she thinks it is we can’t even deal with it until she calms down, which really gets to me. I try to explain to her that if it is that serious she needs to stop so we can HELP her. And if it turns out to not be that serious does she really want everyone to remember her wailing over it?

She’s a great kid but it’s exasperating.

Her trainer is a great guy and helped get her calmed down by tough love. It was great to see as it was only her third time with him, and he messaged me later to make sure she really was okay. When he left he told her she better still show improvement before their next session, he wasn’t letting her off so easy.

We’ve had her try martial arts and gymnastics to help with toughness, but we can’t afford to keep those up with her into horses.

I’ve even shown her videos online of other people getting hurt and different ways to handle it. That is one reason I Posted here, I was worried I was expecting to much of her. However, I truly think the over doing it will make it worse one day.

When she gets hurt we tell her to calm down and breathe and we take a look at whatever is wrong.

If it’s not bleeding or broken we ask them to stay calm and get control so that we can help them. If it’s really minor we tell them to clean it and move on.

We show empathy but no coddling if it’s not requiring treatment. For the 5 year old I just go , really? Look at mine! Now that has back fired and we’ve caught her trying to just treat her wounds herself.

The one in question has always leaned towards dramatics when it comes to injuries. I’ve never babied her over them but she definently over reacts. Even if the pain is as bad as she thinks it is we can’t even deal with it until she calms down, which really gets to me. I try to explain to her that if it is that serious she needs to stop so we can HELP her. And if it turns out to not be that serious does she really want everyone to remember her wailing over it?

She’s a great kid but it’s exasperating.

Her trainer is a great guy and helped get her calmed down by tough love. It was great to see as it was only her third time with him, and he messaged me later to make sure she really was okay. When he left he told her she better still show improvement before their next session, he wasn’t letting her off so easy.

We’ve had her try martial arts and gymnastics to help with toughness, but we can’t afford to keep those up with her into horses.

I’ve even shown her videos online of other people getting hurt and different ways to handle it. That is one reason I Posted here, I was worried I was expecting to much of her. However, I truly think the over doing it will make it worse one day.

When she gets hurt we tell her to calm down and breathe and we take a look at whatever is wrong.

If it’s not bleeding or broken we ask them to stay calm and get control so that we can help them. If it’s really minor we tell them to clean it and move on.

We show empathy but no coddling if it’s not requiring treatment. For the 5 year old I just go , really? Look at mine! Now that has back fired and we’ve caught her trying to just treat her wounds herself.

The one in question has always leaned towards dramatics when it comes to injuries. I’ve never babied her over them but she definently over reacts. Even if the pain is as bad as she thinks it is we can’t even deal with it until she calms down, which really gets to me. I try to explain to her that if it is that serious she needs to stop so we can HELP her. And if it turns out to not be that serious does she really want everyone to remember her wailing over it?

She’s a great kid but it’s exasperating.

Her trainer is a great guy and helped get her calmed down by tough love. It was great to see as it was only her third time with him, and he messaged me later to make sure she really was okay. When he left he told her she better still show improvement before their next session, he wasn’t letting her off so easy.

We’ve had her try martial arts and gymnastics to help with toughness, but we can’t afford to keep those up with her into horses.

I’ve even shown her videos online of other people getting hurt and different ways to handle it. That is one reason I Posted here, I was worried I was expecting to much of her. However, I truly think the over doing it will make it worse one day.

Our son is also devoutly attentive to his own pains and will show me the teensiest scratch on his hand. We’ve never babied or coddled - this is the way he came. A few years ago, when he was nine or so, he fell and damaged his knee badly. It was a little gruesome and the blood completely freaked him out. He howled and wailed all the way to the hospital and all the way through getting it stitched up, until I pointed out he’d had medication to block the pain and he couldn’t feel anything at that point.
Oh, he said, you’re right.
Sigh.
We try to tell him to breathe, calm down, etc when he’s injured. Sometimes this works and sometimes it doesn’t. I’ve found that now he’s into skateboarding, he’s more willing to ignore his bangs and ouchies.
I will say that a few years ago I came off a horse and landed on my side/back. Weirdly, I did not outwardly bruise but bruised inside. Within a day or two I could walk pretty normally, but certain positions or certain tasks were super ouchy. I looked fine, though. (and I didn’t cry!)
Perhaps your daughter is similarly bruised. It’s possible that she over-reacted out of fear from the fall…the fall was worse than the pain but she wasn’t able to comprehend or explain that. Just a thought.

[QUOTE=Angelico;7756989]
Personally, I find I am more likely to whine and cry over smaller injuries than the more serious ones. I stub my toe, I cry for twenty minutes. Bash a knee, breaking bone fragments and embedding them in my tendon, shake it off. Fractured wrist, shake it off. Run into the door handle (that’s normal, right?!) cry for twenty minutes.

I have no idea if thats is normal but it’s what I do. Good luck! I wish my parents had been a little more like you.[/QUOTE]

I’m exactly like this! My new rule of thumb is that if I’m crying and feeling a bit dramatic over my injury, it’s going to resolve quickly, probably within a few minutes. If I’m laughing, the injury is serious. If I’m trying to deny or rationalize that I must not be hurt, I’m hurt.

[QUOTE=rockymouse;7757989]
Our son is also devoutly attentive to his own pains and will show me the teensiest scratch on his hand. We’ve never babied or coddled - this is the way he came. [/QUOTE]

Yeah I think we all start out with our natural reaction to pain ingrained, and it’s different for everyone. I have one dog, a huge male Ovcharka, who is just the biggest baby - he stubs his toe and acts like his paw is broken! Used to worry me but he just needed to be hugged and petted and then his “broken” paw was magically healed. Whereas the female, I accidentally nicked her ear clipping out a mat, and she just looked at me as blood spurted everywhere! My one mare is a drama queen too. The other just gets angry at pain.

No way to toughen up my pup, but with humans I would think you can gradually try to get the weeny person to gain some control. I think it’s worth it because it could effect how others view her as a teen & young lady. We do tend to value “toughness” in our culture. I would try to toughen her up, if you can do it in a joking, kindly way without injuring her self esteem.

For me, no pain approached anything as bad as my cramps! I broke my arm and they asked me to rate pain on 0 to 10, and I said a 2 - cramps were a 10+ and nothing else ever came close! (Yeah I did finally seek help to manage those)

We can tell someone to do something but until we teach them how to do it, they won’t learn it.

Telling someone to calm down will never be as effective as giving them the tools to calm themselves down. $.02

It doesn’t matter if you don’t over-react/coddle, teach the kid to cope.

Sounds like you are doing a good job of not dismissing her pain, but at the same time letting her know that over-reacting to everything might not be the best approach all the time. The last thing you want to do is teach her to disregard ALL pain, because that can backfire too. After all, try to imagine how guilty you’d feel if you poo-poo’d all of her injuries and then found out that she didn’t tell you that she had really hurt herself. :eek:

I taught my niece to ride one summer and she would start screaming if she even thought the horse was even beginning to do something wrong or what she thought was dangerous. It took a lot of coaching, but I finally got her to tone it down by explaining that she had to be the leader, and leaders couldn’t lead if they were screaming. I think some girls just vent their emotions by a big ole scream.

Hang in there Mom!

I’m a toughie, but my oldest daughter is the world’s biggest drama queen when she is hurt. A skinned knee brings a bood-curling scream. Drives me BONKERS. The pain scale is an excellent idea. Someone above mentioned people will also react by what emotional state they’re in. Well my daughter is emotional as all get-out and I’m guessing maybe that’s where it comes in. I feel bad the relatively few times she’s REALLY been injured, because I automatically roll my eyes when I hear that scream.

It might help if you develop a set of questions for her. You go over them with her many times when she is not hurt. You know the kind of questions - “Can you see me?, Can you take a deep breath?”, etc.

Rather than trying to get her to just toughen up, this will give her a routine and a focus. Going through the Q & A will help calm her and give others valuable information. At first I would do it for every little owie to get her into the routine. Later, once established, you can ask her “Do we need to do the list?”

Amarach Acres, after reading your posts, I wondered if we had the same child. Except mine is now 21. I will share what we learned over the years in hopes to reassure you that it does diminish somewhat as they mature. There are a lot of medical studies and peer reviewed articles addressing pediatric pain responses. It is actually very complex as there are physical pain factors along with psycho-social behavioral responses.

Generally speaking, children learn early on which of their responses gets them the most attention. This starts in early childhood and the best example I can think of is the parental response to when infant/young children get their immunizations. A first child is going to get a lot of attention when they cry after their shot as it is also a first time experience for the parent. Let’s say, By the third child, the parent knows the drill and parental response is different and more than likely not as intensely over protective. So birth order plays a part, parental response plays a part and the payoff for the child plays a part. Basically, the more dramatic the pain response, the more attention the child receives, especially when they learn it in their non verbal years. Which can’t be helped! Personality plays a part too. There is a payoff for each child in the parental reaction to their pain. Also, fear of pain plays a part too. When a child sees the syringe and needle come out, they anticipate and associate it with pain.

Using your example of a fall off the horse and the subsequent reaction of your daughter (which mine has also done), her age, personality, gender, birth order, fear and the parent who witnessed the fall and their reaction all came into play. I learned to let the trainer deal with my daughter and not react or come rushing into the ring. If I was needed, the trainer motioned to me. Over time, her dramatic pain responses diminished as there was praise from the trainer for getting back on and I didn’t feed into it. I also learned that when she was quiet, I knew she was hurt.

Each child is different. When my daughter was little, she would see a speck of blood and come crying to me that she was bleeding. I had to take out a magnifying glass to find it. The payoff: my attention and a bandaid. Eventually, as she got older, I would tell her “all bleeding eventually stops”. Her pain response is much different when her friends are around versus me. She brushes it off amongst peers and looks “tough”. I just look at her and say “Seriously?”.

It will get better as she learns that her parents don’t feed into it, positively or negatively. Peer pressure will help. You will be able to ascertain when it is serious and need to act or get medical intervention. A quick observation, by you or the trainer, of her moving all limbs, no deformity and weight bearing is a good indication that she is probably ok. I simply would tell my daughter, “I’ll meet you at the car when you are ready”. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=caffeinated;7756576]
. I’d work with her on creating some sort of objective scale you can use.[/QUOTE]

Here’s an objective scale for pain that helped me when I was recovering from total knee replacement or other surgeries. The nurse would calmly ask me- “On a scale from 1- 10, ten being the most painful, what number describes your pain.”

Now she’s ll, so that might be too abstract for her, but you could ask her pediatrician about an age appropriate pain scale. Nobody can assume from watching an accident how serious it is. The worst horse accident I ever saw happened so slowly we were all laughing and teasing her to get up (we were teenagers). Her thigh bone was broken, got infected, and took over a year to heal.

You are working hard not to assume she’s dramatizing her pain. Please keep this up. I think it would be sad if she thought she couldn’t or shouldn’t express herself.
Good job, mom.

I typically get back up after a fall and am fine. But my last fall? Fell off at a walk (horse spooked), and landed on the hard path. Felt fine when laying on the ground - I remember thinking “Well, that wasn’t so bad!”.

Then I tried to get up - maybe made it to a 45 degree angle off the ground and got shooting electric pain through my whole body. It probably took 10 minutes to get me sitting up and two men helping me to a truck. Was off riding for 2 weeks - in a huge amount of pain the first 3 days. As in hard to walk, took me 30 seconds to go from sitting to lying down in bed. Sitting hurt, standing hurt, walking hurt, and driving hurt. Was checked out by a doctor - nothing conclusively wrong. No broken bones, no torn muscles. But it was the most pain I’ve been in from any accident I’ve ever had, horse related or not.

Here is a link to a more detailed pain scale. I think it is a little complex for a kid to read all the descriptions maybe, but it should be good for talking about ranking pain. https://lane.stanford.edu/portals/cvicu/HCP_Neuro_Tab_4/0-10_Pain_Scale.pdf

[QUOTE=Trinket;7756750]
My stories are a little different.
I have Fibromyalgia and honestly, that hurts more than a fall. A fall sucks, I’ve had like…5 in total (I’m young, and horse is green although I’m not) so far, and I expect a LOT more to come! However, I dust myself off, and get right back on!

The next day SUUUUUUCKS. Like awful, bruising plus the pain I normally feel, just game breaking. Day after a fall I don’t even think of riding, haha.

Now, my sister doesn’t ride. She’s been checked for Fibro and other pain issues…nothing. She’s (and I mean her no offense) a wimp.
EVERYTHING is horribly painful. Small headache (I get migraines, hers are NOT migraines) TERRIBLE.
Walked too much/exercised too much? TERRIBLE.
Period cramps? TERRIBLE.

Everything that could cause MILD DISCOMFORT is TERRIBLE. :rolleyes:

She did check out for Bi-Polar disorder as a child, and my cousin who is just plain old Depressive is the same way. I’d get her checked out fully. And be aware some metal health issues can make you overreact to small pains. :)[/QUOTE]

sorry but this just torques me off. The constant, very heartfelt complaint I hear from FM sufferers is that people don’t think their pain is real. That they get the :rolleyes: (the same :rolleyes: you’ve just delivered) when they say something hurts. Kinda gotta ask how you determine that your pain is real and theirs is not? Is it because you have a diagnosis whereas theirs is just mental and therefore are simply “overreacting to small pains.” So is there a hierarchy among pain disorders?

When I was a kid I had a devilish pony and I fell off all the time.

But once, I landed basically on my tailbone, and it was terrible. I was crying, I couldn’t stand. We had walked pony to a show, and I couldn’t walk him home. Someone else had to do it for me.

I’m sure I was fine the next day too, but it hurt like heck at the time and I was tough about falls.

And hip stuff can really hurt.

If this is one of the only instances you’ve wondered about her pain tolerance I wouldn’t overthink it.

I’ve been thinking about this a bit, and if her pathways for feeling pain are normal, maybe it truly is more being afraid and embarrassed. Give her a way to be empowered to fix the pain herself. Don’t allow yourself to get emotionally involved in her problem. Basically, help her to grow up. Sometimes the distraction of going to get ice or Advil, of getting your brain moving beyond the moment, makes you realize that it’s not that bad.

Or maybe talk with her, does she find this to be a normal way to react to pain. What are some other options? And help her to remember to practice her response.

I also agree with other posters who say to let the trainer deal with it. If it’s a bad fall they will call you, otherwise let them be emotionally unattached and give her the tough love, get over it attitude she may need to stop being rewarded for the response she gives.

What gets me to the crying part is the fear that it won’t quit hurting (ala migraine), even though I KNOW CRYING ONLY MAKES IT WORSE!

One thing - don’t assume that just because nothing showed up on the exams, a kid is OK…

Way back about 20 years ago, I was showing my junior jumper in Florida, in a classic. We had gone clean in the first round, and were one of 9 to come back for the jump-off (paid through 8). And, in one of those face palm moments, we crashed our very warm-up fence, a 2’6" trot jump. I ended up landing on my back, on top of a rail.

I was a decently tough kid who had broken bones without crying, but the pain was like nothing I’ve ever felt. I lay on my back and couldn’t stop screaming, it hurt so bad - even begging the EMT not to move me. (they scooped me up onto the board anyway :)).

My trainer was pretty pissed, especially since it meant I was missing the jump off. And when I went to the hospital, I was x-rayed and told I was fine - no injuries. My trainer was really mad at me then, and also thought I was being dramatic when I told her I really didn’t think I could ride for a few days.

In the umpteen years later, I’ve come to realize two things:

  1. I really do have a high pain tolerance - dangerously high - I’ve done stuff like burned my hands without realizing it, or walked around on a broken foot. I’ve had two nerve conduction studies done - both times the doctors were shocked at how little it bothered me.

  2. I probably did something serious to myself that day. I have sciatica and weaknesses in my legs that multiple PTs have attributed to some issue with my lumbar spine. MRIs and x-rays continually come out clear, but all clinical exams point to something there. I first noted the pains down one leg or the other after that fall, but I didn’t complain about them - just sucked it up - I didn’t want to be a wimp again.

Moral to this overly long anecdote - if a kid doesn’t have a repeated history of acting like this after every fall, don’t assume that she’s fine just because one doctor says she is, or because x-rays come out clean.

[and yes, I do realize that in this particular instance, your daughter does have a habit of repeatedly reacting strongly, so my caution may not be as applicable here]