Paul Valliere Ad -October 26

[buryinghill2]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mom:
I have no more time for such arrogance as I have seen on this topic by individuals most of whom only know second hand facts and who enjoy anonymously bashing others. No one is for horse killing, for pete’s sake, get it? Just not for this anonymous innuendo from unknown people who have in all likelihood never met the people we’re discussing.

Life must look good from all of your pedestals.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And what about all the people who did know, quite well, the people we are discussing? You might be surprise how many of us there are posting on these boards.

[BronkBusterTX]

I don’t mean to sound like I am trying to defend Mr Valliere. My earlier post only pointed out that he has done good things in the name of horsemanship that is not put into print. Nor is it expected to be.

I certainly do not think that any this should EVER BE FORGOTTEN. Someone pointed out before that “to forget history is to repeat it”.

I don’t think any of us are ever going to feel sorry for him. If he ever has a horse die from something as normal as colic, we are ALWAYS going to wonder if he killed that horse. There will always be that cloud over him. That is as it should be. Maybe it will keep him honest. I hope so.

[khobstetter]

Karen McKelvey is now Karen McKelvey Stone. She is married to Dodd Stone, a most incredible shoer of national quality, and lives in Black Forest, Colorado (at least the last I knew).
She really never quite got over or accepted the death of Rain Forest. Her own horses show now under Rain Forest Enterprises.

Another horse that GL had was a horse named So Dark purchased from John McConnell (Denver) right after he won somethng like the Presidents Cup in Washington. I think the year was about 1987-88. He was one of the first $1,000,000.00 (MILLION ) GP horses sold. John was back east with Rodney Jenkins for the indoors and GL offered the big price for the horse, a big black gelding that could jump the moon.

Anyway, the story goes that GL was trying to make the Olympic/International teams and needed horses but he never could ride So Dark well. Certainly not getting around the rings in Florida that next spring with any huge success, which he needed to in order to be “short listed”.

One morning the grooms found the horse with a terrible belly ache and then he foundered SSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOO badly he ended up in a sling for weeks while the insurance company and GL fought about it. Marion DuPont was very involved with this horse and the situation at the time.

Eventually the insurance company agreed and the horse was put down just as the coffin bone came through the bottom of the foot. All of this is in print and there were numerous newspaper articles at the time.

The McConnell family was absolutely heart broken, especially John as he LOVED THAT HORSE !!!

Just another day in Paradise huh…I guess if your GL and the group, that was your paradise …

[Midge]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> What’s the point, just to see yourself in print?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hardly think a post on a BB is ‘seeing yourself in print.’ I am commenting on an advertisement in the latest issue of The Chronicle. It didn’t just come out of thin air in a desire to find a new person to trash.

PV’s actions will affect me when he is up for his ten year review and people who think winning is more important than moral integrity start talking about all the great stuff he’s done, in part because he disguises advertising as a call for social consciousness. It will affect me if I have to see him standing at the ingate, sending students into the ASPCA Maclay class.

He is welcome to be forgiven and live his life. I do not think he is welcome to be a member of USAE and when his suspension is up for review, you can bet I will have more to say on the subject. I’ll be sure to make my subject explicit so you don’t have to read anything negative.

[Jumphigh83]

Let us consider what got him to the point of having the horse electrocuted. GREED and PRIDE. The horse didn’t quite come up to expectations and rather than coming clean and saying, “gee, I over estimated that one, maybe we could donate him and take the write off”…but NO…he reasoned that he couldn’t humble himself to say “I was wrong” nevermind face the investor and say “I screwed up, the horse let us down” so he CASHED IN on the LIFE of the horse. He wasn’t the only one. There are others out there …“big” names who did despicable deeds in the name of PRIDE and GREED. I have no trouble with forgiveness. I just have trouble FORGETTING and then putting the same people in the SAME postions that seduced them into cruelty in the first place. This homeless animal thing is such a thinly veiled attempt at attrition for the benefit of the public and the AHSA that it is almost funny, if it weren’t so tragic.

Betsy
Lead, follow, or get out of the way…

[Anne]

Margaret, I know I’ll never forget Streetwise.

[Duffy]

Hire a Virginia Intermont grad and you’ll get more than your money’s worth!

[Coreene]

InWhyCee, you go girl.

[Weatherford]

The only problem I have is with those other trainers who did it and got away with it. (Some actually were turned in, but the statute od limitations had expired )

I do not know who was on that original list (although, I am SURE the author of HOT BLOOD has all the names!) I do know of one incident witnessed by a friend at the barn of a very BNT - essentially the GROOM asked my friend’s best friend (they were standing together) to “say goodbye to your horse as you won’t be seeing him tomorrow” (the horse had been for sale, but hadn’t gotten sold) My friend didn’t think much about it til the next day when she heard the horse had died of colic that night. Uh huh! Her friend was totally beside herself; this BNT was clearly involved.

Sad and sick.

[Jumphigh83]

I can only wonder what “Life lessons” you have been taught…

Betsy
Lead, follow, or get out of the way…

[SGray]

fox and henhouse???

[InWhyCee]

donating money could be considered “community service to benefit the welfare of horses” . His ten year review is coming up? This would certainly support his side.

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New York, NY (10/31/2001) Persons who know of ANY horses who lived within two miles of Ground Zero (except for the Police horses who were safely evacuated) are encouraged to contact the ASPCA immediately.

While the ASPCA has rescued numerous pets from the Battery Park and TriBeCa area, they have not yet been able to locate any horses roaming Manhattan below Houston Street.

Reports of unsually-flavored stew being served at downtown hotspot Les Deux Gamins are unfounded, according to restaraunt staffers."

“People… they’re so
complicated. I suppose
that’s why I prefer
horses.”

[Portia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nutmeg:
Regarding Weatherford’s very sad tale: Had the groom not spilled the beans, the unsuspecting owner probably would have used the insurance payout to go horse shopping again with the same trainer once the grieving period was over. Quite innocently! Another ten percent for me, thinks the trainer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ugh. I don’t know whether it is a good thing or a bad thing to be this naive about how some perverted people think.

[HSM]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> He certainly doesn’t hide from his past and he is willing to openly discuss his sins. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? Good. Then why don’t you go and ask him to explain why he did what he did (I think you should use JumpHigh’s excellent description, just to jog his memory a bit) and ask him to provide a rational and acceptable explanation for what he did and why it is he feels he has the right to be working with horses.

While you’re at it, maybe ask him why he is selling horses through an intermediary instead of doing it directly and using his own name if he is so “up front” about his situation.

PS to all: I find it hard to believe that this discussion is still continuing - it just goes to show how important it is that the subject was brought up in the first place.

[bucksnort]

Thanks Sotchie. Very well said.

~Bucksnort~
You can have my boyfriend, but stay away from my horse.