Unfortunately for this particular horse, the “new pro”, suffered an injury not long after the purchase, and couldn’t ride for a while. Up until that time, he hadn’t had any success at all with the horse, and wasn’t happy about it. When he got hurt, he hired another professional to ride the horse until he recovered. The horse was then champion two weeks in a row with the hired rider. This only added to the embarrassment of the “pro”(using the term lightly) that had purchased the horse. The fact that he went well and was champion two weeks running was part of what sealed his fate. How sick is that?
Not that I’m a fan of PV, but to be fair, a blindness like that is subtle and something good, caring horsemen miss all the time.
lmlacross… thankfully, all the horses stabled under the Pentagon (in top-secret bombproof stalls, natch) were evacuated and are now residing comfortably with Dick Cheney somewhere in Saskatchewan. I understand Dick is quite the equestrian.
Back to the topic… if PV really wants to help animals, maybe he should buy some soon-to-be-
unemployed carriage horses, or volunteer to muck stalls at the nearest equine rest home.
“People… they’re so
complicated. I suppose
that’s why I prefer
horses.”
Good point,
If this were a show I would generally attend and decided not to due to the actions and behavior of the judge, you bet I would write a letter informing them why I would not be showing. They need the feedback, and is really bothers me that although they are not USAE affiliated, they would still support financially the livelyhood of someone who had been found guilty and been suspended.
There is a local trainer here who has made the “mistake” of getting into the drug scene. She was fired from her previous job as a nurse for stealing prescription drugs and her doctor husband left her because of it, she stole one of her clients prescription pads and wrote prescriptions for herself, she overdosed on crystal meth at a horse show in front of an audience (with many children including her own students watching), and has been to rehab at least two times. Her customers are still with her and tell people that “she wasn’t feeling well and couldn’t come to the show” the day she ODed and was in the hospital and was getting her stomache pumped. They got the drug charges dropped after she ODed and threw a huge hissy fit when she was fired from the barn where she was training until she was rehired. IMHO these people are idiots who belive their trainer made a mistake. And FYI she has gone back to her old ways but the idiots haven’t noticed.
The Moral: People see what they want to see even when the truth is blatently obvious.
They may be beating a dead horse but the way I look at it…“Knowledge is power…”
Betsy
Lead, follow, or get out of the way…
And for a detailed written recap, check out Hot Blood by Ken Englade. Fascinating, if horrifying, reading.
Hot Blood listing on amazon.com
“Of course, that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.” - Dennis Miller
Still proud to be a UCLA Bruins football fan!
"I think there are some crimes, including the killing of defenseless animals for profit, which should permanently disqualify a person from being employed in ANY capacity with those animals again. Should they be allowed to earn a living? Yes, DOING SOMETHING ELSE. "
here here - I second that
Hey, rockstar.
I’m rockstarr.
We differ vastly on our PV opinions, though I know you’re playing devil’s advocate.
So I’m going to post right underneath you, so no one gets confused. 
You don’t need a horse to “canter!”
Kryswyn, loved your post. 
Yes, Portia, saw the L&O episode, and it rang so familiar that immediately I sat bolt upright and went, “I know what story they’re paralleling!”
“Friends don’t let friends eat fish tacos.”
“I think there are some crimes, including the killing of defenseless animals for profit, which should permanently disqualify a person from being employed in ANY capacity with those animals again.”
Quite alot of livestock is killed for profit every year…not with alligator clips I suppose…but not always in a pleasant, compassionate way.
I am neither a PETA supporter or making excuses for the crimes discussed on this thread… this thought just struck me when I read the above quote.
For the “historical record” of this thread:
George Lindemann’s farm was indeed called Cellular Farms, after the source of the family’s fortunes, and one of the other depraved individuals in this sad sick tale was none other than GL’s barn manager, Marion Hulick.
My post-collegiate foray into the A show world was at the time the horse murders were being investigated. When the poo hit the fan, so to speak, in late '91 or early '92, prior to the criminal trial and the AHSA’s subsequent arbitration on the status of the horse murderers (I believe this was when the infamous S.I. article came out that blew the lid off Tommy Burns), GL did indeed decide to give dressage a try and bought Graf George, think he was looking for a shot at the World Cup. They pulled his passport as a flight risk prior to the trial, etc., I believe, and so he couldn’t travel to Europe to compete. Am sure that there are other, more knowledgeable posters here who can fill in the details. Lindemann’s blind arrogance and calculated cruelty astound me to this day.
I am also sickened by the splashy congrats ads in the Chronicle where people ignorantly thank the central perpetrators of these unforgiveable crimes against helpless, defenseless animals. When I see these ads I immediately think “boy, some people really will do anything for a ribbon.”
Bottom line: everyone go buy “Hotblood” and let’s keep this thread going and may we never ever FORGET what these people did.
Here’s to Charisma, Rub the Lamp, and all of the other equine victims, may they rest in peace in a better place.
THIS IS THE FINAL STRAW FOR ME!!!
I suppose after all these years I should NOT be surprized at the WILLINGNESS OF THE IGNORANTto expose themselves.
First the mean spirited posts of late…now incessant hateful vents by those who are NOT aware of all the circumstances. WHAT DOES JUDGEMENTAL SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS ACCOMPLISH??
Those who know me and my character are well aware of my life long love of all creatures…four legged and two legged. My daughter was trained by Paul for a year prior…we did NOT have money NOR did we have influence…I was her groom!!!
He was always kind and thoughtful. I never witnessed any abuse of the horses as I HAVE witnessed from TRAINERS CURRENTLY IN GOOD STANDING. I have found myself in the past being the only one to protest to the steward at a show regarding abuse, only to have a slap on the wrist being administered.
God forbid that any of you ever have need forgiveness yourselves…
butNOW TO TURN THIS TO A RANT AGAINST USET MAKES MY STOMACH TURN.
I’m now signing off of this
BB so flame away…my only prayer is that your hearts and minds are enlightened sometime in the future.
I find it even more frightening that plenty of the people who do remember simply don’t let it bother them 
I just wanted to say this is my first time reading about these crimes and I am so sad and sickened.
could you please tell me if the Harrisburg results are in that issue?? I need to know if I should go buy it!
Thanks
As Miss Maam says “Mommy isn’t always a pain in the a**”
KRYSWYN - in answer to your question as to who wore the wire (a wire?) a couple of pages back, it was Paul who wore a wire for over a year. And it was that wire that sealed Barney and others’ fates.
Personally, I have mixed feelings about Paul - leanign toward the negative. However, whatever little respect I have for him comes from the fact that he did wear the wire at very high risk to himself and his farm.
Barns have been burnt to the ground for far less.
It doesn’t redeem someone who would arrange for killing a horse for insurance, however.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C-Urchn:
Does this affect your job?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Of course! My experiences as a parent, I believe, make me a better attorney.
My job significantly affects my life as well. My husband (crim.law as well) and I are extremely vigilant parents.
Aren’t we ALL?
“A gun was fired.” Why do you need a gun while playing cards? How scary, I am sticking to Monopoly from now on.
Barney and Paul are more successful than ever.
Don’t think not being on the show grounds will ruin their businesses. They’re busier than ever - right around the corner…
Lindemann Jr went on with his life, as did the others…
We just don’t have to break bread with them. Suits me just fine.
