They are DEFINITELY NOT married now. And I am pretty sure they were, at least, separated at the time .
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They are DEFINITELY NOT married now. And I am pretty sure they were, at least, separated at the time .[/QUOTE]
Yeah I bet not. 
Well, that’s good then, he realized his error in judgement. Wasn’t she the owner of Streetwise?
Like I said, I can get the book tomorrow and check for sure, but going from memory at the time (this all occurred while I was still showing) I think she was, and the Lindemann’s owned Charisma.
And i see our trolling little friend the OP (also known as Elite) has stirred up a pot then graciously bowed out.
Nice to see that she aptly named herself, the little coward.
Everyone keeps reffering to the 1 horse he electracuted (or paid to have). What about the van load that “accidently” went over that cliff??? If you think he’s guilty of 1 “mistake” , you’re sorely mistaken.
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Everyone keeps reffering to the 1 horse he electracuted (or paid to have). What about the van load that “accidently” went over that cliff??? If you think he’s guilty of 1 “mistake” , you’re sorely mistaken.[/QUOTE]
do tell.
what van load of horses over the cliff? First I heard of that…
Damn shame he didn’t go over the cliff himself if that is true
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And i see our trolling little friend the OP (also known as Elite) has stirred up a pot then graciously bowed out.
Nice to see that she aptly named herself, the little coward.[/QUOTE]
Well we weren’t going to change her mind about riding with him, no matter what we say, because
it’s not like he’s running around with alligator clips killing random horses.
:eek:
The little troll will grow up to be a big troll with no conscience.:no:
I think you’d be surprised who could be banned…
I agree with By George
"Other professional organizations/governing bodies/government bodies kick out their bad apples (at least the ones who get caught, anyway). For example, Mike Milken (junk bond king) will never be able to get a license to deal in securities again, and Dennis Nifong (runaway DA in the Duke lacrosse fabricated rape case) is now disbarred and will never be able to practice law again. "
Being found guilty of fraud in horse deals or killing a horse enough to kick em out?? How about boycotting their books and clinics? Like OJ?
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Well we weren’t going to change her mind about riding with him, no matter what we say, because :eek:
The little troll will grow up to be a big troll with no conscience.:no:[/QUOTE]
Please lets not assume that everyone just sits on their computer all day.
And for the record, I am an adult who chooses to train with Paul…I am neither stupid or inconscienable. I am, however, very able to tell the difference between right and wrong and make my own choices based on my observations. He teaches me to ride, and he does it well. end of story. I did not go to him for a course in business ethics.
We are all free to make our own decisions based on our knowledge of the situation, and our outlook in life.
Lets please remember to be respectful of everyones decision, be it your own, or not.
Oh boy…
Popcorn anyone? Here we go…
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Please lets not assume that everyone just sits on their computer all day.
And for the record, I am an adult who chooses to train with Paul…I am neither stupid or inconscienable. I am, however, very able to tell the difference between right and wrong and make my own choices based on my observations. He teaches me to ride, and he does it well. end of story. I did not go to him for a course in business ethics.
We are all free to make our own decisions based on our knowledge of the situation, and our outlook in life.
Lets please remember to be respectful of everyones decision, be it your own, or not.[/QUOTE]
How does the saying go?. Those who keep silent ,agree ?. You pay him for his services so you agree with what he did simple as that ,no more and no less. I’m sorry but for me it lacks backbone and principles. If you know a guy has a history of murder(because it is beyond abuse) and you go there then it makes you no better then him:mad:. They should hang him by the balls and electrocute him and his followers
I’ll take some findeight…I’ve brought the drinks!
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I’ll take some findeight…I’ve brought the drinks![/QUOTE]
How bout some SugarBabies? M&M’s anyone?? Gotta have sweet with your salty snack! :winkgrin:
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Everyone keeps reffering to the 1 horse he electracuted (or paid to have). What about the van load that “accidently” went over that cliff??? If you think he’s guilty of 1 “mistake” , you’re sorely mistaken.[/QUOTE]
THIS could be interesting…
…I recall hearing about it. But it was from someone’s memory and it was quite fuzzy and kept quiet about…
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Please lets not assume that everyone just sits on their computer all day.
And for the record, I am an adult who chooses to train with Paul…I am neither stupid or inconscienable. I am, however, very able to tell the difference between right and wrong and make my own choices based on my observations. He teaches me to ride, and he does it well. end of story. I did not go to him for a course in business ethics.
We are all free to make our own decisions based on our knowledge of the situation, and our outlook in life.
Lets please remember to be respectful of everyones decision, be it your own, or not.[/QUOTE]
You must be so proud. I don’t think I would want a trainer that I had to use on the Q T at the horse shows, and had to hide. I see you jumped to his defense very early in this thread. NOT.
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THIS could be interesting…
…I recall hearing about it. But it was from someone’s memory and it was quite fuzzy and kept quiet about…[/QUOTE]
me too… now the search is on…
What does business ethics and having a horse electrocuted to defraud an insurance company have do to with one another? I am sure he considered what he did was just “business” but I am under the mindset that a serious flaw in character exists in someone that is wired that way. I am sure nothing we have to say will change your mind. It is amazing how some people can justify despicable acts! Just my two cents.
thought you guy’s might find this interesting… notice some of the names… first and second killed Helen Brach… I can post the entire article if you want… yes, PV is one heck of an exuse for a human being…
The complete list of the accused:
Kenneth Hansen, 61, of Chicago, three counts of murder; Richard Bailey, 65, of Chicago, racketeering, mail and wire fraud, money laundering, and crimes relating to murder; Robert Brown of Michigan, racketeering, mail and wire fraud; Jerry Farmer, 61, of Augusta, Ga., racketeering, impeding the IRS; Dr. Ross Hugi, 50, of Mundelein, Ill., wire fraud (pleaded guilty); Barney Ward, 50, of Brewster, N.Y., mail and wire fraud, obstruction of justice, threatening a witness, and conspiracy; George Lindemann Jr., 30, of Greenwich, Conn., wire fraud; Marion Hulick, 60, of Greenwich, Conn., wire fraud; [B]
]Paul Valliere[/B][/B], 43, North Smithfield, R.I., conspiracy; Nancy Banfield, 36, of Mathews, Va., conspiracy; Donna Brown, 37, of Palm Beach, Fla., wire fraud; Tim Ray a.k.a. Tom Burns, conspiracy; Dr. Dana Tripp, 34, of Valencia, Pa., conspiracy, failure to file tax returns, and concealing a felony; Johnnie Youngblood, 32, of Napierville, Ill., mail fraud; Steve Williamson, 51, of Plainfield, Ill., mail fraud; Tammie Glaspie, 36, of Walker, Mich., mail fraud; James Hutson, 53, of Winona, Mich., mail fraud; Alan Levinson, 52, of Highland Park, Ill., mail fraud (pleaded guilty); Michael Hunter, 45, of Mundelein, Ill., mail fraud (pleaded guilty); Donna Hunter, 43, of Mundelein, mail fraud; Phil Sudakoff, 76, of Chicago, mail fraud; Herb Kroninger, 53, of Bolingbrook, Ill., mail fraud; Scott Thompson, conspiracy; Ron Mueller, 62, formerly of Harvard, Ill., lying to federal peace officer.
Respect. Yes, that is what it is all about. There are 2 kinds of people dealing with horses. Those that respect & love them, and those that use them. PV is clearly in the use them group, and people that really love them, and RESPECT them simply will not do business/hang around/support those that do not.
