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thought you guy’s might find this interesting… notice some of the names… first and second killed Helen Brach… I can post the entire article if you want… yes, PV is one heck of an exuse for a human being…
The complete list of the accused:
Jerry Farmer, 61, of Augusta, Ga., racketeering, impeding the IRS; .[/QUOTE]
I actually live in Augusta and nobody in our town will touch Mr. F. with a ten foot pole.
I actually found mention of another case in which Tommy Ray Burns was involved where they broke a horse’s leg and then there was a veterinarian there (a male vet) who beat the horse to death with a hammer.
It wasn’t one of the more publicized cases (Streetwise, which occurred at Canterbury Farms in Newberry FL) but another one. As an aside, several FDLE agents were on top of another horse trailer and actually saw Burns kill Streetwise.
I cannot imagine the hell those poor animals went through.
[QUOTE=Jaegermonster;2662462]
I actually found mention of another case in which Tommy Ray Burns was involved where they broke a horse’s leg and then there was a veterinarian there (a male vet) who beat the horse to death with a hammer.
It wasn’t one of the more publicized cases (Streetwise, which occurred at Canterbury Farms in Newberry FL) but another one. As an aside, several FDLE agents were on top of another horse trailer and actually saw Burns kill Streetwise.
I cannot imagine the hell those poor animals went through.[/QUOTE]
I think I am going to puke! Do these people have souls?!?
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Lets please remember to be respectful of everyones decision, be it your own, or not.[/QUOTE]
I’m sorry but I can’t be too terribly respectful of a decision to support an alleged horseman who is known to have had a horse killed for money. To be respectful about that kind of decision could be too easily misconstrued as tacit approval of supporting such a person. I have to voice my disapproval of supporting Valliere in any way - buying, selling or training.
If that’s offensive, oh well; sorry about that.
Something I always find very interesting about this is that over the internet, everyone hates him. But if his banner is set up a horse show, a bunch of people swing by the aisle and ask “when’s he getting reinstated? how is he? it’s about time he comes back to the show”.
I’m not making this up. I just feel that if you’re all so against his business, I would expect more out-rage AT the horse shows themselves. The scrims and coolers are layed over the horses that say “AWF” on them… Why don’t more people announce their unhappiness at the sight of it?
Because when I don’t like someone - I’m not friendly towards them or their followers…
A direct quote taken from above referenced link:
“Defendant should have considered the consequences of his actions before he put himself in the position in which he is now.”
Very true!
These are my favorite parts…
Plaintiff will suffer irreparable injury if the injunction sought is not granted. Plaintiff has the right to keep unsavory people away from the horse shows that it oversees, even if only to prevent the appearance of impropriety (see, Matter of Tappis v New York State Racing and Wagering Bd., Harness Racing Div., 36 N.Y.2d 862, 864 [1975] ). Defendant pled guilty to most reprehensible actions. Plaintiff is certainly justified in avoiding actual or potential harm to its events, members, and reputation, not to mention the horses, by having Defendant barred from those events.
The equities balance in Plaintiff’s favor. Although Defendant would like to see his son at equestrian competitions, unfortunately for Defendant’s son Defendant is not permitted to do so. Defendant should have considered the consequences of his actions before he put himself in the position in which he is now. The equities balance in favor of Plaintiff who wants to keep Defendant, with his past, away from horse shows and competitions.
The Plaintiff is AHSA (now USEF) and the Defendant is Barney Ward, for those that don’t want to read the link in Acertainsmile’s post…
Okay, I’m on a roll, also found this list… Now, PV was suspended in 1994… look under horse suspensions, and who they are listed under… quite a few from Acres Wild… interesting as the dates of suspension are more recent…
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look under horse suspensions, and who they are listed under… quite a few from Acres Wild… interesting as the dates of suspension are more recent…
http://www.usef.org/_IFrames/Suspension/Default.aspx[/QUOTE]
Seventeen horses! WOW!
[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;2662519]
Okay, I’m on a roll, also found this list… Now, PV was suspended in 1994… look under horse suspensions, and who they are listed under… quite a few from Acres Wild… interesting as the dates of suspension are more recent…
http://www.usef.org/_IFrames/Suspension/Default.aspx[/QUOTE]
There are also several belonging to Barney Ward, at least one belonging to McLain Ward (Caliente), a couple belonging to Cellular Farms, and a couple in the name of George Lindemann. Some of them are older but there were a few more recent ones.
There were some owned by Frank Jayne from 2006. Interesting.
Birds of a feather…(?)
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Birds of a feather…(?)[/QUOTE]
That’s exactly what I was thinking. It just all depends on the type of person with whom one wishes to associate. For me, blue ribbons are not worth my personal integrity or self respect.
I PAID full board on a retired hunter. Of course no one wanted my horse dead. He was scheduled for his regular acupuncture the day he was put down. He was 22 when he impacted and I had to put him down. I owned him 19 years. He was not insured.
I would get rid of the husband.
BTW - I’m old enough to know more of what went on back then with this particular person and others on that list. Most of the people that are not happy with even the idea that any of them can return to horse showing were around then as well. PV was slated to judge a class on an off day of a USEF show not too long ago. It didn’t happen because of the outrage. Don’t tell me people do not put their money were their mouth is on this one.
Business ethics? BUSINESS ETHICs? Are you freaking serious?
You really think this is a matter of business ethics?
I do not support people who systematically committed crimes.
PV did a lot more than just kill one horse. He had a history of behavior that showed a lack of moral character both in the way he treated horses and in the way he dealt with his clients. I have seen horses that came from his barn and know people who personally had business dealings with him.
I prefer to spend my money with people for whom I have respect. So what if he’s a brilliant trainer; I cringe at the thought of sending a teenager to ride with someone who has repeatedly shown that he is morally deficient. What message are we imparting? Oh yes, the end justifies the means. It’s so, so wrong.
this is how I look at it:
Drug Addicts vs. Horse Killers
Drug Addicts. Lets say heroin for example. You do it once and get hooked. End up an addict. You have an intervention and head to rehab. Later on in your life you have a relapse and may not be as into the drug as you were prior, but still have an interest in the drug and do it every so often.
Horse Killers.
VERY similar to drug addicts. You get paid to do an “easy” job or pay someone to do the deed. It’s done once and you realize that you can do it. The money is great in your eyes and you’re heartless and don’t care about killing a horse who has tried from DAY ONE to please you. You get caught and build up a reputation which is solid even though you screwed up BIGTIME before. Who’s to say you can’t relapse later on in life?
And that Ladies and Gents is why I don’t train with Paul.
It was not a “USEF show”. It was the Equues Medal, a fundraiser for the Wellington Equestrian Alliance created by Mason Phelps. It was judged under the USEF medal rules, but it was not a USEF santioned “show”. PV voluntarily withdrew from judging after all the posts on here, the COTH H/J forum. If I recall correctly, approximately a quarter to a third of the riders participated in the event borrowed their (eq) mounts from PV and listed him as “trainer”.
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Yeah like being 16 and scared to death of being killed and being a poor kid that had to beg for someone to give me a horse job so I could ride and you think I should have reported it…not a shot in hell. Big of you to think I would know that at 16 years old…If you read what I wrote I didn’t relate death to the event until the killing issues came up THREE years later
So you think I would get anyone to listen to say hey, three years ago I saw blah blah blah…come on, give me a break AND COME DOWN OFF YOUR PEDESTAL…[/QUOTE]
But the important thing is that you saved the horse’s life…
So much for the everyone is killing horses that don’t serve their purpose theory. :winkgrin: Me too.
I lost my 31 year old this past year. I quit riding when he was about 12. He continued to occupy a stall I could have made full board on for almost 20 years. That is at least about $75,000 that I “spent” between loss of board, vet and farrier care, teeth, deworming, etc, etc. Who needs insurance? That would have equaled one heck of a policy on a horse worth a couple of thousand dollars. Just think what that money would have been worth as an investment in the right stock. Free money, and TOTALLY legal too. My heart bleeds for PV because he was short on money. I guarantee I am much shorter on funds, but putting my horse down was never even a thought.
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