Is this some kind of a joke or something? The point of the matter is that he killed a horse. Whether it was his or not is irrelevant!
Financially struggling? Gee, LOL, that’s a great excuse!
Last I checked it was not a mistake. It was deliberate.
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And Barney Ward, the POS, must have passed on his devotion to horses to Maclain. (That is said sarcastically) Unitl recently, I don’t think I ever saw Maclain give a horse a pat after a round. I guess somone told him to start doing this, as I really don’t think he would have thought of it on his own.
thrown in like a small rock in a stoneing…the mob is OFC.[/QUOTE]
Pardon my dense (or lack of…)brain, but what does OFC mean?
Sorry I usually catch these typos- OOC out of control.
Now people are villainized for lack of patting.
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I think that some of the people who posted here must have been drunk!!:eek::D:lol:[/QUOTE]
Nope not drunk. Just don’t believe in mincing words. I call it as I see it. But thanks for your concern. Actually I have posted every post while at work. But again, thanks.
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FWIW, as I have mentioned on other PV threads, I rode with him years ago before this happened.[/QUOTE]
You rode with him years before this happened, but probably during the time enough horses in his care died in odd enough ways to raise eyebrows.
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Sorry I usually catch these typos- OOC out of control.
Now people are villainized for lack of patting.[/QUOTE]
Hardly! I suppose my comment should have been a lot more detailed. The point being that Barney, Maclain, Paul et al view horses as business and not as partners. The fact that Maclain did/does not praise his horse for a job is really just one more action that let’s you see what is really inside of him. Has nothing to do with making villains out of people who don’t praise their horses. It’s just another trait that shows his true colors.
Presume much? :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Because I’m not a hugger, not even family or friends, does that show my true colors as a cold heartless bitch? Does it mean I love the people in my life any less?
:rolleyes:
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Hardly! I suppose my comment should have been a lot more detailed. The point being that Barney, Maclain, Paul et al view horses as business and not as partners. The fact that Maclain did/does not praise his horse for a job is really just one more action that let’s you see what is really inside of him. Has nothing to do with making villains out of people who don’t praise their horses. It’s just another trait that shows his true colors.[/QUOTE]
Maclain Ward had nothing to do with the horse killings. Why bring his name into it? :rolleyes:
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Nope not drunk. Just don’t believe in mincing words. I call it as I see it. But thanks for your concern. Actually I have posted every post while at work. But again, thanks.[/QUOTE]
Don’t be so thin skinned, I had just read three pages of posts and your just happened to be the one right in front of mine. You are very coherent.
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You rode with him years before this happened, but probably during the time enough horses in his care died in odd enough ways to raise eyebrows.[/QUOTE]
Excuse me? I am going to assume that you don’t mean to imply what it sounds like you are implying and that this is just a knee-jerk reaction to all things PV. When my horse lived at Acres Wild, his care was impeccable. I never witnessed or heard about anything remotely suspicious until the indictments. You seem to be saying that horses in his care were dying left and right…absolutely untrue. I am not going to defend what he did, but your insinuation is absolutely ludicrous. Tell me about all those horses that died in odd ways, because I was there and I never heard about it.
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Don’t be so thin skinned, I had just read three pages of posts and your just happened to be the one right in front of mine. You are very coherent.[/QUOTE]
I’m not at all thinskinned, believe it. But I have gotten a few emails along the same vein in regards to this thread, and apparently misunderstood your other post as being part of all of that and just was not in the mood today 
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:rolleyes:
Because I’m not a hugger, not even family or friends, does that show my true colors as a cold heartless bitch? Does it mean I love the people in my life any less?
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On the surface, I would say certainly not. Only YOU can answer that question. However, if you do/did the same things as BW & PV as well as not being a “hugger”, then I guess my answer would be different. It’s the sum of the parts that make up the whole.
Maclain Ward had nothing to do with the horse killings. Why bring his name into it?
You are correct. But I would bet he learned a lot about horses from his father and PERHAPS he shares some of the same feelings or views about the animals. I dunno. I am NOT saying Maclain would DO the same things as his father. I was just pointing out a behavior Maclain exhibits. No hidden meanings.
I never said the AHSA is a court. Those are your words. The quotes were meant to refute your arguments that electrocution is not torture. They just happen to be from AHSA’s decision to ban PV.
"death by electrocution causes pain to the horse. "
" participated in a plan or conspiracy to commit acts of cruelty or abuse to a horse "
The AHSA felt differently than you about electrocution. They based their decision on animal welfare as that was the only rules they had in effect that could be used to support banning him. Of course it’s not criminal punishment but rather an NGB matter. And once more, the case was tried in Federal court not state court and it was part of a Federal investigation. As the investigation went forward Tommy Burns et al provided more information way far afield of the original focus.
Each state seems to have widely differing interpretations of what animal cruelty is and the appropriate penalties. But it’s more the moral and ethical issues that are troubling regardless of your definition of cruelty.
Eesh… I think I’m going to give up.
The CRIME was not animal cruelty. There is no conviction of animal cruelty. The AHSA may have deemed the act cruel, but that has no bearing outside of the AHSA and it’s rather limited parameters. The AHSA feeling that animal cruelty was the issue is only slightly better than the members of COTH saying that’s the issue. In the very least they were able to enact some sort of punishment with regards to their sanctioned events, but that is as far as they can go.
I didn’t bring up federal or state courts. That would be BlueShadow who wanted to discredit my assertion that one could “kill” their own horse in any number of ways and have it not be illegal. The crime was federal in nature because of the use of the USPS to commit insurance fraud. That whole state discussion was a tangent and in reality, not pertinent to the discussion at hand
We’re making this too hard
I’m usually a pretty good thread killer, so let’s see if I can put this poor beastie to rest.
We’re making this thing far too complicated. Each one of us has to make our own decisions about what kind of people we want to bring into our lives. These people reflect back to us parts of ourselves which we need affirmed—both positive and negative, conscious and unconscious.
Our decisions about associating or not with the gentleman in question and/or our “positions” about him and his past/present behavior are more about us than about him. Our passionate disagreements with one another are also really more about ourselves than about those with whom we disagree.
As Carl Jung said: “Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.”
Ol’hound
Because I’m not a hugger, not even family or friends, does that show my true colors as a cold heartless bitch? Does it mean I love the people in my life any less?
Hey - I’m not a hugger either!!! And I’m pretty sure I’m not a cold heartless bitch.
"ANY horse owner can destroy their ‘property’ without permission. "
It was the generality of this statement that bothered me, and the implication that we can do as we please with our “property”. This, as a general statement, is not true.
houndsrus, I am too, so maybe I can help. To me, it is very sad yet simple: Some people love horses. Some people love winning, no matter what the cost, and the horse is no more than the means to an end…a commodity.
Those of us who truly love horses will never understand how a man can, one day, walk into a horse’s stall, look that horse in the eye and make the calculated decision to kill that horse in a terrible, cruel, torturous manner. There is no redemption for such an act.
He made his choice and now he must live with the consequences.
There was a thread about horses that reared not long ago. A lot of posters sugested that these horses be killed. I would have sent the horses off to a horse fixer.
