If Chris Mayr is the person I remember (originally from the Springfield, Ma. area), I am extremely sorry to hear this. She is/was a wonderful lovely person, and had a huge talent as well.
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If Chris Mayr is the person I remember (originally from the Springfield, Ma. area), I am extremely sorry to hear this. She is/was a wonderful lovely person, and had a huge talent as well.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know if she was originally from Springfield, but she had worked at a farm in central New York for some years. I think the accident happened in the early 1990s. Maybe '90 or '91, IIRC. It was very, very sad.
To imply that the Castellucci’s had a horse killed is wrong. I showed with Paul V. back in the 80s and actually watched Buddy Brown ride Touch the Sun in Regular Working Hunter at Harrisburg. Touch the Sun was owned by the Lisa Castellucci.
What a lot of you do not realize is that Paul V. went in front of the AHSA (now the USEF) and immedielty admitted that he had made a horrible mistake. The reason I think the lifetime ban is so wrong is because there are other trainers still walking the show grounds who have done what Paul did and who have not faced any consequences whatsover.
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What a lot of you do not realize is that Paul V. went in front of the AHSA (now the USEF) and immedielty admitted that he had made a horrible mistake. The reason I think the lifetime ban is so wrong is because there are other trainers still walking the show grounds who have done what Paul did and who have not faced any consequences whatsover.[/QUOTE]
:no: Hmmm interesting… Just because others have “done it” and are still walking around does not make Pauls Lifetime ban unfair. The others just haven’t ben caught or have it proven against them and thats a shame…
So is it unfair for a murder to have a life sentence when other are walking around free and clear? DAMN STRAIGHT IT’S FAIR! Again, its disgusting that the others are free… do the crime, pay the time…
woah… this topic is still going on!? :no:
Talented and Respected
It is the fact that he is so talented and he was so respected that his crimes were more heinous than those less intelligent and less capable. He also abused all those who held him iun high esteem.
Oh Boy
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Yes, it was amazing riding there! I’m glad someone else on here sees what a good person he REALLY is![/QUOTE]
Your young too! A really GOOD person???
Oh boy this world is in serious trouble. Dont be fooled by smiles and charm. Go read the book. How sad! :no:
What does a person have to do to an animal for you to consider him a bad person?
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How does this…
I also met Lisa’s dad (“Mr. Castellucci”). He was real Saprano type…right out of the movie The Godfather. There have been very few individuals who scared the living day lights out of me…and he is one of them (the other is Barny Ward who threated to whip my A$$ at Commonwealth Park).
Square with this?
To imply that the Castellucci’s had a horse killed is wrong.
Jumpingfool,
I will say it again…to imply that any of Paul’s customers had a horse killed is wrong. There was an earlier post where someone talked about a horse trailer being run off the road. No where in my post do I accuse anyone of anything. You are trying to put words in my mouth and I do not appreciate it…for the record, I am NOT implying that any of Paul’s custormers had horses killed. Now do you understand?
Of course Touch the Sun wasn’t on the truck–he was a super star.
With that logic no one could ever be penalized for anything…because there must be someone somewhere who got away without being caught. :rolleyes:
Get a life …
I believe all of you have the issue totally wrong. If P.V. is such a danger to the horses/and or customers/ and or our sport he should be forbidden to practice his profession - period. Just banning someone from the show circuit does not eliminate the threat. If he is not - well then he should just serve his punishment and then continue his life including shows etc… If he is up for a reinstatement hearing apparently the former AHSA did not look at it as being a threat to all horses (lifelong ban) and apparently the court system (judicial) did not find him such a threat to impose an restriction order against him to all horse properties etc. So either back then the threat was not perceived as being that grave or the judicial as well as the equestrian system - in this case the AHSA - made a mistake. Appeal to the system to impose harsher punishment - if they do not do that-go with their decision. On a personal note: I believe it was a despicable crime which should have resulted in a restraining order. But I also wonder if some of the people most upset about his possible reinstatement are people who are jealous and fear for their own success/ and or of their students in the ring if P.V. would be reinstated. Food for thought.
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Well, he is the only one that is openly skirting the suspension by continuing to field a client group at major shows proudly claiming him as their trainer…if only via cell phone from just off the property or on non show days when the USEF cannot legally keep him off the property…and the only one benefitting from flashy “thank you Paul” ads proudly proclaiming him as trainer of record.
I find this distasteful. [QUOTE]
Am I correct in my understanding that Paul was only banned from setting foot on horse show grounds?
If so, and please correct me if I misunderstood his ban, I don’t see why he shouldn’t be able to stay involved in this industry if he chooses. If people want to ride with him and board their horses at his facility, why shouldn’t those people be able to go to shows with another trainer (David), while still “riding with” Paul? And, if Paul has helped me with my riding, why shouldn’t I put an add in thanking him?
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Well, he is the only one that is openly skirting the suspension by continuing to field a client group at major shows proudly claiming him as their trainer…if only via cell phone from just off the property or on non show days when the USEF cannot legally keep him off the property…and the only one benefitting from flashy “thank you Paul” ads proudly proclaiming him as trainer of record.
I find this distasteful.[/QUOTE]
Am I correct in my understanding that Paul was only banned from setting foot on horse show grounds?
If so, and please correct me if I misunderstood his ban, I don’t see why he shouldn’t be able to stay involved in this industry if he chooses. If people want to ride with him and board their horses at his facility, why shouldn’t those people be able to go to shows with another trainer (David), while still “riding with” Paul? And, if Paul has helped me with my riding, why shouldn’t I put an add in thanking him?
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OK- i took weekly lessons with PV this summer- mind ridng improved drastically- its amazing- my trainer at home is like- WOW
but here’s my point, my friend came with me as well to lessons, she was on her horse, and he looked a little off, PV made her get off- he felt his legs, then told her to go cold hose him - called the vet and had him there the next day to get the horse checked out
i wasn’t going to say anything about this topic, but now that i have, ill say this,i find PV to be the best trainer i’ve ever ridden with, as well as one of the nicest- everyone has to be forgiven- im a forgive and forget person, its been 23 years- its time to stop fixating on this[/QUOTE]
:sigh:
Geez.
You really do need to take a course in ethics/morals. Something too many teenager’s like yourself seem to be lacking in these days. Ethics and morals.
It is because he is klnwledgeable
It is a pity when someone talented and capable commits a crime against the very horses he is supposed to respect that makes it twice as heinous. He confessed and he was found guilty. It is the Federation that has tolerated his participation at the fenceline of the shows and use of the horse airwaves for his walkie talkies and cell phones.
Only the court can deny him participation in the industry. There is no association that legislates private actions on private property. In early America that would have been done by public shunning. I believe in freedom and by his own words PV is making more money than ever before so the notariety has profited him. He simply cannot participate personally in a horse show. Nor any horses he owns can paticipate.
It is perfectly legal if not ethical to transfer ownership in all the horses to his wife. For him to sit outside the fence where he can still see and coach. I don’t think that the inconvenience of not being a member of the USEF id such a serious penalty that it needs to be mediorated.
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If he is up for a reinstatement hearing apparently the former AHSA did not look at it as being a threat to all horses (lifelong ban) and apparently the court system (judicial) did not find him such a threat to impose an restriction order against him to all horse properties etc. So either back then the threat was not perceived as being that grave or the judicial as well as the equestrian system - in this case the AHSA - made a mistake. Appeal to the system to impose harsher punishment - if they do not do that-go with their decision. [/QUOTE]
The legal system is not fair, it’s legal. Most animal cruelty laws are hogwash and carry light sentences. Therefore, no, this guy did not receive the full force of the law. And just because he didn’t receive a harsh punishment legally or otherwise, doesn’t mean that people have to “go with their [“the systems”] decision”. In fact, we can use morals to decide otherwise.
If he’s up for reinstatement, well, that doesn’t negate the seriousness of his crime either. Even prisoners come up for parole.
FYI- Per the other part of your post. I don’t know the guy personally and I don’t show anything remotely close to where his students would be competing so I’m not afraid or jealous. If people want to train with him despite what he’s done, well, water seeks its own level. I want nothing, ever, ever, ever to do with them.
Oh, yes, that must be it.
where is that vomiting emoticon when you really need it???
He is banned from considerably more than just “setting foot on horse show grounds.”
b. SUSPENSION of such person for any period from showing or having others show, exhibit or train for him or her.
(1) A suspended person is forbidden for the time specified in the decision from the privilege of taking any part whatsoever in any Competition licensed or endorsed by the Federation and is excluded from all competition grounds during Competitions licensed or endorsed by the Federation, as an exhibitor, participant or spectator.
(2) In addition, a suspended person is forbidden from participating in all Federation affairs and activities, to hold or exercise office in the Federation or in any Competition licensed or endorsed by the Federation, to attend, observe or participate in any event, forum, meeting, program, clinic, task force, or committee of the Federation, sponsored by or conducted by the Federation, or held in connection with the Federation and any of its activities. BOD 1/14/07 Effective 4/1/07
- The purpose of this Rule shall be to prevent the avoidance by suspended exhibitors, trainers, coaches and other persons of the terms and conditions of their suspensions, or the penalties intended by the Hearing Committee as appurtenant to such suspensions. This Rule shall apply to the spouse of a suspended person as well as to any other persons or entities, including, without limitation, companions, family members, employers, employees, agents, partnerships, partners, corporations or other entities, whose relationship, whether financial or otherwise, with a suspended person would give the appearance that such other persons are riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit, credit, reputation or satisfaction of the suspended person.
- No suspended person’s spouse or companion shall assume any of the suspended person’s responsibilities whatsoever at Federation competitions during the term of said suspension. Companion shall be defined as any person who co-habits with, or otherwise shares living accommodations with, a suspended person.
- No suspended person’s spouse or companion may fill out any entry blanks for any of the suspended person’s customers for Federation competitions during the term of the suspended person’s suspension, or pay or advance entry fees on behalf of customers for Federation competitions during said period.
- Any person who assumes the responsibility for the care, custody or control of an unsuspended horse completely or in part owned, leased, trained by or coached by a suspended person, must not:
a. Be paid a salary directly or indirectly by or on behalf of the suspended person; or
b. Receive a bonus or any other form of compensation in cash, property or other remuneration or consideration such as to make up for any such lost salary; or
c. Make any payments of any kind, or give any remuneration or other compensation or consideration, to the suspended person, his/her spouse or companion, any corporation, partnership or other entity owned or controlled by said suspended person or to any other person for transfer to any of said individuals or entities for the right to ride, exhibit, coach or train for the suspended person or any of the suspended person’s customers during Federation Licensed Competitions; or
d. Use the farm or individual name of the suspended person.
In addition, anyone who shows “for the benefit” of a suspended person is subject to suspension themselves
- A violation is any act prejudicial to the best interests of the Federation, including but not limited to the following:
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h. Exhibiting any horse while in the care, training or custody of a suspended trainer.
i. Riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit, credit, reputation or satisfaction of a suspended person
