Right (not)!
I can assure you that my “success” as an amateur eventer is in no way threatened by PV’s potential return.
this is crazy. I think we’ve all established we don’t like PV.
Actually, I have never met PV, don’t like or dislike him. I want someone who has been warned off of horse showing for killing horses to stay away from horse shows.
I think that the ‘don’t like him’ concept is part of the problem here. The people who ride with him DO like him. Apparently he is a pretty charming guy.
THE POINT is that he is breaking the rules of the sport that we all participate in. He was banned for commiting heinous crimes and he should stay away…likeable or not.
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But I also wonder if some of the people most upset about his possible reinstatement are people who are jealous and fear for their own success/ and or of their students in the ring if P.V. would be reinstated. Food for thought.[/QUOTE]
You have GOT to be kidding me:eek:
Trust me, honey, the people to whom you are referring (those who are only concerned with winning no matter the cost) are NOT the people objecting to PV on this board. The people posting here are concerned about morals and ethics, and PV offends both.
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Jumpingfool,
I will say it again…to imply that any of Paul’s customers had a horse killed is wrong. There was an earlier post where someone talked about a horse trailer being run off the road. No where in my post do I accuse anyone of anything. You are trying to put words in my mouth and I do not appreciate it…for the record, I am NOT implying that any of Paul’s custormers had horses killed. Now do you understand?[/QUOTE]
I am not trying to put words in your mouth at all. You are somehow intimating that none of Paul’s customers ever had their horses killed and you actually have no way of knowing that.
:eek:
Must be snowing in Cancun because findeight is speechless.
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Actually, I have never met PV, don’t like or dislike him. I want someone who has been warned off of horse showing for killing horses to stay away from horse shows.
I think that the ‘don’t like him’ concept is part of the problem here. The people who ride with him DO like him. Apparently he is a pretty charming guy.
THE POINT is that he is breaking the rules of the sport that we all participate in. He was banned for commiting heinous crimes and he should stay away…likeable or not.[/QUOTE]
Perfectly said. Seems like it is the youngsters that “like” him and have no qualms about training with him. Morals and ethics may have been missing from their education…
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What you see on the outside is not the man that exists behind closed doors.[/QUOTE]
BINGO…
BINGO…
…and the outside was never exactly stellar either:no:
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BINGO…
…and the outside was never exactly stellar either:no:[/QUOTE]
Well no matter how much you polish it, a turd is a turd. Simple fact of life that has been proved time and again.
the passion on this subject,
I’ve read most of this passionate thread. There seems to be no one on this bulletin board who does not truly love horses. We all have that common bond. I am long time friend, student, and former employee of Paul Valliere. I have been friends with him long before the insurance scandal, during the whole incident, and today. No one is ever going to condone actions taken that lead to the death of Roseau Platiere. Not even Paul. He admits he made a horrible mistake. The mistake however is not as it appears to be.
I hate to deflate all the drama surrounding this mess. There were no killings (aside from the fore mentioned), murders, or driving over cliffs with horses intow. Also it seems the book “Blood Money” has become the info source to life at Acres Wild. I can tell you first hand, the author of that book has taken many liberties in her telling her story. Based on the fact maybe, but fiction. What has gone unsaid regarding the death of Roseau Platiere, for his own reasons, Paul will not divulge. Not even to lessen the legal charges against him. He has taken the responsibility for the worst thing that ever happened in his life, (besides maybe the death of his father) this weighs heavy on him. What else can he do other than what he knows best? As horseman there is no one I’ve met who completely respects and cares for his horses more than Paul. He is living by example, trying to get over the past and continuing to be the horseman he always has been.
Paul has contributed this painful scar. But also a lot of good to our sport. People who know Paul always have something good to say about him. He is a great horseman and teacher. For all he can contribute, It’s a shame he can’t “really” get back in the game.
JFYI I’m out there working and competing in a barn that provides horses and riders at the highest level of show jumping, also reading this forum.
to my own post
I think I used the wrong word when I wrote “condoned actions”. I meant no one accepts or approves of the actions that lead to the death of Roseau. Sorry I ride horses I’m not a writer
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What has gone unsaid regarding the death of Roseau Platiere, for his own reasons, Paul will not divulge. Not even to lessen the legal charges against him. He has taken the responsibility for the worst thing that ever happened in his life, (besides maybe the death of his father) this weighs heavy on him. What else can he do other than what he knows best? As horseman there is no one I’ve met who completely respects and cares for his horses more than Paul. He is living by example, trying to get over the past and continuing to be the horseman he always has been.
Paul has contributed this painful scar. But also a lot of good to our sport. People who know Paul always have something good to say about him. He is a great horseman and teacher. For all he can contribute, It’s a shame he can’t “really” get back in the game.[/QUOTE]
Committing a crime carries a serious cost. In many professions, a felony is the end of your livelihood, even if it is unrelated to your practice. For example, you will lose your engineering license if you are convicted of a felony, any felony. For “what else can he do”, unfortunately, a lot of Americans find themselves starting over after bankruptcy, injury, illness, and the like. I imagine he has the skills to do many other jobs if he wished to.
If PV had gone home, maybe kept training horses, maybe given some clinics, but truly removed himself from the show scene, I might have some sympathy. Leasing a property next to show grounds and using communications equipment so that he can warm up students without setting foot on show grounds is not compliance. He has done everything in his power to violate the spirit of the suspension, and until he chooses to recuse himself appropriately for the 10 years that was in the original decision, in my mind the clock hasn’t even started on his suspension.
YMMV.
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What else can he do other than what he knows best? [/QUOTE]
I hear Starbucks is hiring.
Whats the problem with him??? The problem is…he had a horse electrocuted…10 minutes- 10 years…doesnt matter…this speaks to the fact that the guy does not get the whole…right…wrong thing…this wasnt just a small ooops-- lapse in judgement…this was a biggie…
Maybe he should’ve thought about that before he killed those horses.
Free will my friend, free will. He could’ve said NO and sold the horses to other riders who would cared for them.
It doesn’t matter if he provides the best care at his barn in the world. It doesn’t matter if he and his students win everything under the sun. It doesn’t matter if he’s the bestest trainer/coach in the world. It doesn’t matter if he was “strapped” for cash. Bottom line is that he killed those horses for money! Why can’t you or any of his groupies see that? HE KILLED THEM FOR MONEY!
I’ll leave you a quote to ponder:
“The love of money is the root of all evil.”
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Perfectly said. Seems like it is the youngsters that “like” him and have no qualms about training with him. Morals and ethics may have been missing from their education…[/QUOTE]
Oh please. Not really directed just to you, but please get a grip. Please remember that Paul Valliere and the others involved in the killing of horses at that time are products of MOST OF YOUR generation, not “kids’ these days”. The problem is NOT that people continue to ride with him, it’s that our governing body/law enforcement organizations FAILED US in allowing him to have ANYTHING to do with horses at this point in time. Is he out there killing horses still? Probably not, but I can only say that with a fair amount of sureness because I bet he can’t insure horses at this point to save his life.
We live in a world FULL of sour grapes, and bad apples. But all you baby-boomers out there should remember one thing when you make comments pertaining to the education of our youth and their “poor ethics”- YOU ARE THE ONES EDUCATING US. PAUL VALLIERE WAS TEACHING US, AND OUR TEACHERS. BARNEY WARD HAD OUR TRAINERS IN HIS BARN! You want to talk about twisted ethics, I’ll say your generation took the cake!
Last time I checked, KIDS are not responsible for running the USEF. CHILDREN are not the ones making the decisions concerning with whom they ride. Their 45-60 year old PARENTS are calling those shots, and we all know what it’s like when someone has a horrible stage mother.
And what do you do when organizations like the RM scholarship take the winner and send them over to PV’s barn for equitation lessons? And then show PV’s horse in the Maclay? What do you say to a 14 year old (supposedly less-privaledged compared to his/her competitors) when they win this national competition, then end up in his barn, showing his horses? That, my friend, is NOT OUR KIDS’ FAULTS. THAT is our INDUSTRY.
You know, I’m not a PV groupie, nor do I think what he did was in anyway justifiable, but…
It surprises me how quickly everyone is to sit in judgement over him, as if they have never done anything wrong. It’s easy to point your fingers at him, without thinking about your own life and the errors you have made. If a ‘turd is still a turd’ and can never change then I’m sure this board is populated with a lot of crap. Don’t mean to get too ‘let him who is without sin cast the first stone’ on you all, but that’s my standpoint on the whole issue.
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I hear Starbucks is hiring.[/QUOTE]
Cuz I’m gonna trust him to make sure its a SOY latte not a regular when I have a serious milk allergy? Uhh…probably not.
:rolleyes:
That comment has what to do with anything? Please. Let’s at least work on keeping things within the realm of the crime committed. You should’ve said:
“Cuz, I’m gonna trust him not to hand me a live wire while standing in puddle of spilled soy latte”
