So who has gone on record to say that he should serve his time and be forgiven? Any well known hunter jumper figures? Has the great GM offered any opinion on the life time ban?
(Sorry as I know that a lot of you really do want this thread to just go away…)
[QUOTE=worldclass777;4526185]
So who has gone on record to say that he should serve his time and be forgiven? Any well known hunter jumper figures? [/QUOTE]
There were a few well known people in an earlier thread. I don’t know if they have changed their opinion, or just decided not to be so vocal in voicing it. Sad.
Alright OP: here’s the deal. I’ve taken a lesson with Paul. I originally was looking for a horse and was pretty desperate because I needed one for a last minute competition. I came to look at David Olynik’s horses, walked into the indoor on the first prospect, and what do you know? There’s Paul. He was charming, outgoing, and I’ll admit, a very good trainer who had good things to say. But as soon as the lesson was over, I wanted nothing more than to get away from him. I’ve trained with a lot of trainers. And he’s NOT the only good one out there. You just have to decide whether it’s worth it. Would you rather just settle with the first trainer you find that seems to be good even though he has a history of killing horses that USEF and many others will never forgive, or would you rather search for a trainer that is just as good if not better than Paul, and odds are a heck of a lot more honest than him?
I guess that I’m a firm believer in two things;
You don’t kill horses for money.
You do vote with your wallet.
If I met Paul (or any other trainer whose methods were beyond what would fit in my box of ethics) in person, I’d be happy to watch-n’-learn. But to pay them for a lesson would seem like endorsing their behavior. I think I’d have to draw the line there so that I didn’t feel like an accomplice. JMO.
[QUOTE=AHorseSomeDay;2659254]
Oh no. I see a train wreck coming. :no:[/QUOTE]
Ditto that. Here we go again. Some friend of Geoff Teall’s has started this thing again because we are coming up on the Florida season/you would think the moderator would put a stop to this. No one wants to hear about it anymore. It happened over 20 years ago. When is enough enough?
[QUOTE=Foxtrot’s;4307809]
note - this thread was started by a troll almost three years ago![/QUOTE]
and the troll brings it up every year just at the start of the Florida season. Some people are so easily led like sheep. So sad…and the Moderator let’s it go on year after year. vested interest??? follow the money, as they say.
[QUOTE=eqinegirl;2755166]
This thread is still on here & is still actively viewed because the crime was against the very animals that most of us love to own, ride, show & care for. There is a fool born everyday & a new customers are also born everyday. There are people who have not heard of PV’s crimes. They need to know what & who they are dealing with. We need to shine the light of day on anyone who would act in a cruel or criminal way to these wonderful & trusting animals. Please don’t complain because people are still outraged by his past behavior.[/QUOTE]
And you need to be the self appointed one to tell everyone you know every day for the rest of your life. Bravo for you. [Get a life.]
[QUOTE=feather river;4527504]
Ditto that. Here we go again. Some friend of Geoff Teall’s has started this thing again because we are coming up on the Florida season/you would think the moderator would put a stop to this. No one wants to hear about it anymore. It happened over 20 years ago. When is enough enough?
I’m not part of the “Gang of Geoff,” and I’m always happy to see this resurrected again because one of these threads was what led me to read “Hot Blood” in the first place and look into the horse killings. Just because a horrific crime took place years ago doesn’t mean it should be forgotten about; people don’t tend to get very far claiming, “Well, the Holocaust ended seventy years ago, when is enough enough?” Not meaning to do the magic “invoke the Holocaust” argument, but I just really dislike the “it’s old news, just leave it alone” tack when it comes to such a nasty and despicable action.
Since PV is still pushing for reinstatement, while rather brazenly flaunting his active role in training and horse sales outside of USEF’s jurisdiction, I think it’s still a relevant issue that should be brought up from time to time. I don’t think someone with a history of animal cruelty should be put in a position to be endorsed or condoned by the governing body of an animal sports organization. Not 20 years later, not 120, not ever.
… we will not let this post die. I’ll be a friend of Geoff or anyone else who stands by what they believe in.
[QUOTE=feather river;4527504]
Ditto that. Here we go again. Some friend of Geoff Teall’s has started this thing again because we are coming up on the Florida season/you would think the moderator would put a stop to this. No one wants to hear about it anymore. It happened over 20 years ago. When is enough enough?
Speak for yourself, feather river. And why is it that you want this post to die?
(Just curious) Vested interest, maybe?
I for one think we should never let this be forgotten.
Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.
[QUOTE=lolalola;4527929]
Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.[/QUOTE]
Those who live in the past have no future.
[QUOTE=SarahandSam;4527538]
I’m not part of the “Gang of Geoff,” and I’m always happy to see this resurrected again because one of these threads was what led me to read “Hot Blood” in the first place and look into the horse killings. Just because a horrific crime took place years ago doesn’t mean it should be forgotten about; people don’t tend to get very far claiming, “Well, the Holocaust ended seventy years ago, when is enough enough?” Not meaning to do the magic “invoke the Holocaust” argument, but I just really dislike the “it’s old news, just leave it alone” tack when it comes to such a nasty and despicable action.
Since PV is still pushing for reinstatement, while rather brazenly flaunting his active role in training and horse sales outside of USEF’s jurisdiction, I think it’s still a relevant issue that should be brought up from time to time. I don’t think someone with a history of animal cruelty should be put in a position to be endorsed or condoned by the governing body of an animal sports organization. Not 20 years later, not 120, not ever.[/QUOTE]
Get educated. USEF has no venue over anything except Horse Shows. Anybody can sell horses and train horses–your mechanic could do it without USEF’s permission. Why don’t you jump on some other bandwagon that actually has suffering going on in the world today–go after some of these trainers you so much worship who drug their competition horses so they can be competitive. You folks are so hypocritical–but at least your hypocrisy is transparent. I’ll give you that.:sadsmile:
[QUOTE=springer;4527646]
Speak for yourself, feather river. And why is it that you want this post to die?
(Just curious) Vested interest, maybe?
I for one think we should never let this be forgotten.[/QUOTE]
And why is it you want this post to continue? Vested interest, maybe?
[QUOTE=feather river;4527969]
And why is it you want this post to continue? Vested interest, maybe?[/QUOTE]
Those who post on the thread, keep it alive…
[QUOTE=feather river;4527966]
Get educated. USEF has no venue over anything except Horse Shows. Anybody can sell horses and train horses–your mechanic could do it without USEF’s permission. Why don’t you jump on some other bandwagon that actually has suffering going on in the world today–go after some of these trainers you so much worship who drug their competition horses so they can be competitive. You folks are so hypocritical–but at least your hypocrisy is transparent. I’ll give you that.:sadsmile:[/QUOTE]
I never said he couldn’t train and sell, I said that it was rather brazen being so heavily involved in the show world outside of USEF’s jurisdiction when he’s pushing for reinstatement. Moreover, I don’t like the idea of someone whose actions darkened our sport and killed horses being accepted back into that sport with open arms.
Which trainers do I “so much worship” that drug their horses? Since clearly anyone who’s not a fan of PV can be painted with exactly the same brush, and since you’re unafraid to publicly declare your love for him, go ahead and name names. There are a lot of trainers I respect and admire (can’t say I “worship” anyone, although your blind lashing-out for Valliere leads me to believe that you feel otherwise), and I can’t think of any of them being associated with illegal drugging. But maybe I’m naive, and unlike you, don’t believe that horses should be a lower priority than winning. After all, why else would someone ride with Valliere?
I would not know PV out of a crowd of one as I do not recall ever meeting the guy irl.
But I do know that IF I were in hte market for a horse and or lessons No one could pay me enough to walk into his barn. Becuse it would be supporting him and his actions since being suspended/ banned what ever.
I have no hidden agenda I just have a problem doing business with those who think either now or at one time it is/was ever ok to kill a horse and perpertrate(sp) fraud to recieve money from the intentional death of the horse. I dont think it is right in anyones world to do that except a select few perhaps who’s ethical or moral compas points south all the time… But to the rest of hte world whos compas points north it is never ok. And those who support this mans activities after his conviction are no better than he is.
He killed horses-HE IS NOT A VET
[QUOTE=feather river;4527504]
Ditto that. Here we go again. Some friend of Geoff Teall’s has started this thing again because we are coming up on the Florida season/you would think the moderator would put a stop to this. No one wants to hear about it anymore. It happened over 20 years ago. When is enough enough?
Not part of the “Gang of Geoff”, wouldn’t know him if he walked in the room.
But as far as PV and this thread, it will NEVER be enough. Just like other horrible things in history, this is part of the history of our sport, and should not be forgotten lest it be repeated. I agree with all those who posted that we should never forget, and support this thread.
I am posting to bump it, and also hope this thread lives on in infinity just to piss the rest of you off.
Paul Valliere should never be able to escape the ghosts of the horses he killed.
[QUOTE=Jaegermonster;4533841]
I am posting to bump it, and also hope this thread lives on in infinity just to piss the rest of you off.
Paul Valliere should never be able to escape the ghosts of the horses he killed.[/QUOTE]
I love it.:yes:
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