Why waste time, money and words on an immoral criminal ?
What would be very entertaining would be if PV was reinstated and then started showing up a AA shows. He would get lots of nasty comments, hand gestures, threats, etc. I am sure there would people who would have weekly conniptions because of it. PV is the root cause of my emotional pain!!! Please help me!!! I am still in counseling because he lives!!!
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I can’t remember the first name but Lindemann would be one, Cellular Farms IIRC. [/QUOTE]
George. George Junior.
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George. George Junior.[/QUOTE]
Speaking of…so where exactly is our boy George Lindermann Jr these days?
I heard he was in Fla doing something with in the art commnity. Its been a few years since i was courious enough to google his name and see what he was doing.
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I heard he was in Fla doing something with in the art commnity. Its been a few years since i was courious enough to google his name and see what he was doing.[/QUOTE]
Forgive me for asking such an ignorant question…but George Jr. L is banned for life…right?
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What would be very entertaining would be if PV was reinstated and then started showing up a AA shows. He would get lots of nasty comments, hand gestures, threats, etc. I am sure there would people who would have weekly conniptions because of it. PV is the root cause of my emotional pain!!! Please help me!!! I am still in counseling because he lives!!![/QUOTE]
He IS at the shows. Just off the show grounds. Nothing to stop him from training, he just can’t do it on the show grounds when a USEF show is in progress. And someone else has to be listed on the entry blank as trainer.
Nobody is upset by this except for posters on this forum.
He can participate in unrated shows. He can buy, sell, act as agent, teach whatever. Life goes on for a suspended person.
If he was on the grounds legally(reinstated) any threats would likely get YOU suspended or worse.
He never left the shows…or the business and has no lack of clients.
He is a nice guy when you meet him, which you may believe or not as you choose, and continues to be a great teacher who turned out some riders who are also great teachers. Not that it is a defense but others connected to this scandal who were in it far deeper have also stayed in the business and continue to profit handsomely in it. That would include the 800 pound gorilla in the room nobody wants to talk about.
But USEF is not a law enforcement agency and any criminal penalties are long satisfied. I am satisfied to keep my no reinstatment opinion at this point and I would not do business with him. My choice. But I bear him no ill will beyond that.
They got off easy… It wasn’t a mistake or an accident. For those that think Paul V is a nice guy… that’s great… and Bundy was “charismatic” - get real people…
For those that think no one cases, think again…
Rielle Hunter (not her real name) owned Henry the Hawk, or rather her father did when she was a junior. Her father was an insurance lawyer who allegedly arranged for the horse to be electrocuted by Tommy Burns when it stopped winning consistently. And he allegedly advised others on how to do the same so they too could commit insurance fraud, but he died before he could be prosecuted.
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I can’t remember the first name but Lindemann would be one, Cellular Farms IIRC. I actually had a supervisor at work in the early 90s who had dated him for several years shortly thereafter when he was into Dressage horses…and she said he said he didn’t know what the big deal was, always admitted it and wanted to plea bargain but got talked out of it by his pricey legal team. Small world.
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I would be very surprised if your friend, a she, dated him 
And I know the family pretty well and that was not the attitude.
I love that the PV threads get resurrected at least once a year around here. Keep the light of day on these thugs for as long as it takes to expose them.
Ugh - Cellular. Ick. Mean old Marion Hulick and of course, George Jr.
Some blogger who follows the Palm Beach social scene posts updates on his doings, and while I don’t think the blogger is a horseman, they continue to bring up that he’s a felon.
A few weeks ago in the WSJ properties section, it was noted that his sister Sloane Lindemann Barnett, who was a successful junior in the 80s, sold her spectacular Georgian-style townhouse on NYC’s Upper East Side, for a mind-boggling $48 million, the highest price paid for a Manhatten townhouse since 2008.
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IIRC at the time he went out and snapped up some GP-level dressage horses (I remember a particular grey horse) in a desperate bid to continue competing under the guise of another organizing body (USDF).
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Not exactly
Sorry about the misinformation, YL, what’s the real scoop?
Since this thread popped back up, I started reading some, and was alarmed at the van over the cliff reference. I knew and trained with Chris Mayr a few years before her accident - believe she was returning from Bennington, headed back to Cazenovia.
I understood it to be an accident, and thought she was driving a van of Eddie Huber’s with brake trouble, who she was assistant to. I know many of these trainers all knew each other, but didn’t think her accident was related to the PV scandal, or any other “planned” event.
It’s a beautiful day out, and I can’t read the entire thread - was her accident ever tied into any fraud or the whole PV/Lindemann/Hulick mess? I pray it wasn’t. She lived quite awhile afterwards remaining hospitalized before she died. She is someone who encouraged my talent as a young adult rider, and helped me find a way to ride and show when I didn’t have the $$ to buy compliments. She made a lasting impression. I still think of her often.
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A few weeks ago in the WSJ properties section, it was noted that his sister Sloane Lindemann Barnett, who was a successful junior in the 80s, sold her spectacular Georgian-style townhouse on NYC’s Upper East Side, for a mind-boggling $48 million, the highest price paid for a Manhatten townhouse since 2008.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if the townhouse was scheduled to be burned down if it didn’t sell for the $48 million ?
^^^^^ ZING! ^^^^^
I’d be even more :lol: if the whole thing wasn’t so damn 
As I said earlier in the thread, I never heard a word at that time or afterwards to indicate it was anything other than a sad accident. It was Ed Huber’s van on the way home from a show.
I remember her as a very nice person- gone far too soon.
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As I said earlier in the thread, I never heard a word at that time or afterwards to indicate it was anything other than a sad accident. It was Ed Huber’s van on the way home from a show.
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Thanks for putting it to rest for me. Tried to go out and weed, but the idea haunted me so came back in for replies.
She was such a good person & dedicated horsewoman - thanks again for answering.
^ You’re welcome.
It was a very sad loss for the horse community.
