Manson was charismatic, Bundy a womanizer, Gacy a kiddie entertainer, and John List an upstanding member of society. All of them were also MURDERERS. PV is just another wolf in sheeps clothing, impersonating talent but sick to the bone underneath. And ignoring this fact is shameful. Shameful to horses as well as horsemen. The only reason he stopped is because he was CAUGHT.
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Manson was charismatic, Bundy a womanizer, Gacy a kiddie entertainer, and John List an upstanding member of society. All of them were also MURDERERS. PV is just another wolf in sheeps clothing, impersonating talent but sick to the bone underneath. And ignoring this fact is shameful. Shameful to horses as well as horsemen. The only reason he stopped is because he was CAUGHT.[/QUOTE]
So well said… :yes:
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He never left the shows…or the business and has no lack of clients.
He is a nice guy when you meet him, which you may believe or not as you choose, and continues to be a great teacher who turned out some riders who are also great teachers. Not that it is a defense but others connected to this scandal who were in it far deeper have also stayed in the business and continue to profit handsomely in it. That would include the 800 pound gorilla in the room nobody wants to talk about.
But USEF is not a law enforcement agency and any criminal penalties are long satisfied. I am satisfied to keep my no reinstatment opinion at this point and I would not do business with him. My choice. But I bear him no ill will beyond that.[/QUOTE]
Well sad.
Well, on a slightly good note, a BO I know tried to organize a PV clinic last year, and didn’t generate enough interest to run it, by a long shot…
I have read this thread with great interest and all the links provided - growing ever more sick to my stomach. My cherished pony hunter was sold I believe through pv to the Lindeman family in the 80s for their daughter to ride. He was an excellent mover, gorgeous and a nice jumper yet not the easiest pony to ride because he had an enormous stride but I was used to it and did quite well on him. He died of what they said was colic about a year after we sold him. I had him 7 years and he never had any problems…
I loved that pony - he was one of the best friends I have ever had.
I cried then at the news and I pray he did not suffer.
Oh, she “dated” him alright, their families were well aquainted and they went to the same school somewhere along the line. She had quite a few photos including some at GPs. I never asked how close they actually were or why they stopped it and she never offered. Things were not quite as open 25 years ago-it could have been for show. None of my business-and she was my immediate superior at work and not a horse person at all.
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A few weeks ago in the WSJ properties section, it was noted that his sister Sloane Lindemann Barnett, who was a successful junior in the 80s, sold her spectacular Georgian-style townhouse on NYC’s Upper East Side, for a mind-boggling $48 million, the highest price paid for a Manhatten townhouse since 2008.[/QUOTE]
Sloan also was termed an “Eco-Socialite” by the New York Times back in 2007 for pushing some line of house cleaners … to be used by the staff, of course 
As for the sale of the property (once owned by Alice Gwynne Vanderbilt) it was sold to her friend Libet Johnson. Libet, with her own equestrian ties, is just one more example of the odd people having links to the J&J fortune.
Well, this is interesting…
Did anyone know that the winner of the French Bulldog class at Westminster was owned by Marion Hulick? It sickens me that she lives not too far from me.
This is all sad…
God bless the New York Post’s headline writers!
Regarding MH’s Westminster success, a particularly ripe headline from 2010: “The Lady Is A Champ - And A Horse Killer, Too.”
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/the_lady_is_champ_and_horse_killer_5Bn6EEtjS0KliQd4nuG8uJ
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Rielle Hunter (not her real name) owned Henry the Hawk, or rather her father did when she was a junior. Her father was an insurance lawyer who allegedly arranged for the horse to be electrocuted by Tommy Burns when it stopped winning consistently. And he allegedly advised others on how to do the same so they too could commit insurance fraud, but he died before he could be prosecuted.[/QUOTE]
Lisa Druck
[QUOTE=Flashy Gray VA;5621366]
God bless the New York Post’s headline writers!
Regarding MH’s Westminster success, a particularly ripe headline from 2010: “The Lady Is A Champ - And A Horse Killer, Too.”
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/the_lady_is_champ_and_horse_killer_5Bn6EEtjS0KliQd4nuG8uJ[/QUOTE]
I wonder if any of her show dogs are insuired. Just sayin’ :eek:
For several years I have wondered how so many people can have such strong opinions one way or another about PV and the others found guilty in this case, but not about other felons - especially the convicted pedophiles? I may or may not agree with the thought those found guilty in the horse insurance case should never step foot on a horse show grounds, but what about someone previous convicted of a crime against a person. Should crimes against defenseless horses have a perpetual penalty, but defenseless children or adults - serve your time and right back to the horse shows where children and adults are exposed?
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For several years I have wondered how so many people can have such strong opinions one way or another about PV and the others found guilty in this case, but not about other felons - especially the convicted pedophiles? [/QUOTE]
How do you know they don’t?
I don’t think anybody said or suggested that, STA. The subject of this thread is PV specifically and the horse killings in general, so that is what people are commenting on. If the subject were a convicted pedophile, or someone convicted of bestiality – and yes, we’ve had long-running threads about horse people with those perversions – you would very likely get the same kind of comments.
[QUOTE=Flashy Gray VA;5621366]
God bless the New York Post’s headline writers!
Regarding MH’s Westminster success, a particularly ripe headline from 2010: “The Lady Is A Champ - And A Horse Killer, Too.”
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/the_lady_is_champ_and_horse_killer_5Bn6EEtjS0KliQd4nuG8uJ[/QUOTE]
God bless the New Yok Post indeed! I’m glad some people are still holding these monsters accountable for their crimes - particularly when they refuse to accept responsibility for their actions, which judging from this woman’s quote, she does not.
[QUOTE=STA;5621566]
For several years I have wondered how so many people can have such strong opinions one way or another about PV and the others found guilty in this case, but not about other felons - especially the convicted pedophiles? I may or may not agree with the thought those found guilty in the horse insurance case should never step foot on a horse show grounds, but what about someone previous convicted of a crime against a person. Should crimes against defenseless horses have a perpetual penalty, but defenseless children or adults - serve your time and right back to the horse shows where children and adults are exposed?[/QUOTE]
It would be interesting to know how many of those people who train, used to train (but no longer do, for reasons unrelated to his crimes), or who would train with PV and the other horse killers, would be ok with sending their kids to a trainer (supposedly very good) convicted of sexually abusing a child, after they served their time.
My personal feeling is that if you abuse an animal or kid, you should be banned for life from being around any animals or kids, much less making a living from the very thing you abused/killed.
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My personal feeling is that if you abuse an animal or kid, you should be banned for life from being around any animals or kids, much less making a living from the very thing you abused/killed.[/QUOTE]
This.
From the article from the NYT:
"Last night at the dog show, she called the whole ordeal "a mistake of a young person I was working for."
“It doesn’t have anything to do with how I conduct my life. I love my dogs,” said Hulick, who lives with her husband in Massachusetts, where she has a dozen French bulldogs – and about a dozen retired show horses. "
Really? It was HIS mistake? It sounds to me as though she’s trying to put the blame elsewhere. And as has been said before, the premeditated killing of a healthy horse for the purpose of saving face and collecting insurance money on it is NOT a mistake. Mistakes are not something you do on purpose. It was pre-meditated, planned and paid for. THAT is not a mistake!!! A mistake is accidentally feeding the horse that is supposed to get the green bucket the purple one!
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From the article from the NYT:
"Last night at the dog show, she called the whole ordeal "a mistake of a young person I was working for."
“It doesn’t have anything to do with how I conduct my life. I love my dogs,” said Hulick, who lives with her husband in Massachusetts, where she has a dozen French bulldogs – and about a dozen retired show horses. "
Really? It was HIS mistake? It sounds to me as though she’s trying to put the blame elsewhere. And as has been said before, the premeditated killing of a healthy horse for the purpose of saving face and collecting insurance money on it is NOT a mistake. Mistakes are not something you do on purpose. It was pre-meditated, planned and paid for. THAT is not a mistake!!! A mistake is accidentally feeding the horse that is supposed to get the green bucket the purple one![/QUOTE]
She’s still the beast she was back then, and trust me, she was the beastliest. Heartless too. Sounds like she hasn’t changed one iota. Poor dogs…
