[QUOTE=Big Day;5621770]
She’s still the beast she was back then, and trust me, she was the beastliest. Heartless too. Sounds like she hasn’t changed one iota. Poor dogs…[/QUOTE]
Yes,she truly was a beast back then. I used to work at Saddle River, babysitting the broodmares waiting to foal.
Here is a recent thread on M.H’s dogs:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245354&highlight=marion+hulick
I guess you could make the point that the USEF and whatnot are not law enforcements, but STILL! She won at westminster? :o
I have even stronger opinions about those that harm people, especially children. However, it always seems to come back to Paul V because people want to forget it seems… they say “he’s so talented” or “he made a mistake” and that is supposed to make it ok.
I agree, the child abusers shouldn’t be on the show grounds either, but they are…
[QUOTE=moonriverfarm;5619757]
Manson was charismatic, Bundy a womanizer, Gacy a kiddie entertainer, and John List an upstanding member of society. All of them were also MURDERERS. PV is just another wolf in sheeps clothing, impersonating talent but sick to the bone underneath. And ignoring this fact is shameful. Shameful to horses as well as horsemen. The only reason he stopped is because he was CAUGHT.[/QUOTE]
My dad always says he should’ve been an actor!
Another one that was involved (Rub The Lamp) was Nancy Banfield. Who today owns a horse rehab and retirement farm. Sick and sad that people send their horses to her. A friend of mine recently asked me if I knew of her because Nancy had told her she didn’t have a website. So I told her to google her name even if she didn’t have a website you would find something. First link entitled horse killers. She decided against it 
Sick that these people still generate an income in horses after what they did.
[QUOTE=jetsmom;5621667]
It would be interesting to know how many of those people who train, used to train (but no longer do, for reasons unrelated to his crimes), or who would train with PV and the other horse killers, would be ok with sending their kids to a trainer (supposedly very good) convicted of sexually abusing a child, after they served their time.
My personal feeling is that if you abuse an animal or kid, you should be banned for life from being around any animals or kids, much less making a living from the very thing you abused/killed.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, that was the point of my post.
[QUOTE=Platinum Equestrian;5622877]
I have even stronger opinions about those that harm people, especially children. However, it always seems to come back to Paul V because people want to forget it seems… they say “he’s so talented” or “he made a mistake” and that is supposed to make it ok.
I agree, the child abusers shouldn’t be on the show grounds either, but they are…[/QUOTE]
If they are convicted sex offenders/predators or pedophiles it is very easy to check that via the internet and to see if they are allowed to be around children or not. And if it is found not, then report them to local law enforcement. Very simple.
And if they are required to register their address etc, you can check that too and if it’s incorrect report them. They are considered to have absconded from supervision and can be sent back to prison for not registering properly within required time periods. They also have to check in and out with their home registry if they are leaving their home for over a certain number of days (which can vary state to state) or staying at a temporary address, such as when travelling to horse shows etc.
If you (generic you used here, not directed at the OP ) are unwilling to do those things, then don’t complain about them being at the horse shows.
Well, registering as a sex offender does NOT give other people the right to kick them out of their residence. I know I have a registered sex offender on my block and I have spoken with the police about it. I have his photograph up in my pantry and I have let the other neighbors know. I’m not sure a “horseshow” would be off limits for a sex offender.
[QUOTE=stolen virtue;5652076]
Well, registering as a sex offender does NOT give other people the right to kick them out of their residence. I know I have a registered sex offender on my block and I have spoken with the police about it. I have his photograph up in my pantry and I have let the other neighbors know. I’m not sure a “horseshow” would be off limits for a sex offender.[/QUOTE]
Who said anything about “kicking them out of their residence”?
Please read what I wrote not what you interpreted. Not keeping their registry current or maintaining it as required, when detected or reported, results in them
Being sent back to prison. Period. If you have a trainer or other person traveling around showing and not keeping their registry utd, report them. And if you have one running around at a horse show or working at a riding school
that isn’t allowed to be around kids, then stop whispering in the aisles and report it. Perhaps you should review “Megans Law” and “The Jessica Lundsford Act” and also see if there are any other laws more specific to your state.
[QUOTE=findeight;5619000]
He never left the shows…or the business and has no lack of clients.
He is a nice guy when you meet him, which you may believe or not as you choose, and continues to be a great teacher who turned out some riders who are also great teachers. Not that it is a defense but others connected to this scandal who were in it far deeper have also stayed in the business and continue to profit handsomely in it. That would include the 800 pound gorilla in the room nobody wants to talk about.
But USEF is not a law enforcement agency and any criminal penalties are long satisfied. I am satisfied to keep my no reinstatment opinion at this point and I would not do business with him. My choice. But I bear him no ill will beyond that.[/QUOTE]
USEF is not a law enforcement agency, however, as the governing body for recognized equestrain competitions, it is responsible for policing the sport. Period. When an owner or trainer can be suspended from showing at USEF compeitions for drugging a horse, or not paying its show fees, why shouldn’t a convicted horse killer be banned from showing at USEF events for the rest of his life?
what do you guys mean when you say “I smell a troll”? what is the definition of the COTH’s trolls?
[QUOTE=mvp;4535531]
I don’t want to by MV’s practice dog.
But allowing a horse trainer (or owner for that matter) to continue to benefit from having horses under their care seems entirely different to me.
With respect to the GM rumor. Talk about pressure! Who wouldn’t accept a USEF slap on the wrist in exchange for GM’s good word?[/QUOTE]
What is the GM rumor? What good word did he have for PV? Does the USEF slap on the wrist refer to his longtime suspension or something else?
Far as I can recall, all that is included in this almost 5 year old thread that comes up every year.
It’s worthwhile reading…most of it anyway.
[QUOTE=vagabondrider;6211906]
What is the GM rumor? What good word did he have for PV? Does the USEF slap on the wrist refer to his longtime suspension or something else?[/QUOTE]
IIRC, this bit wasn’t about Valliere. It was about a California trainer who agreed to take a fall in exchange for praise and clients from another BNT.
Reread the thread to find out for yourself. I’m privy to none of this. But I do have sympathy for LNTs trying to break into a higher echelon. It sucks to high heaven that someone with a great reputation would ask this of a colleague a few rungs down. So I’m not ready to place the greatest heap of blame on the little guy who took the bum deal. That was the only point of my post back there.
5 years it has been? What the hell? Where has the time gone?
[QUOTE=LovesIt;2660179]
Yes, it was amazing riding there! I’m glad someone else on here sees what a good person he REALLY is![/QUOTE]
Good people don’t electrocute animals, IMO.
Goody goody gumdrops, let the train roll on down the tracks. I’m ready for some choo-choo.
“Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.”
Granted, I’m a professional historian and therefore biased, but y’all shouldn’t be cavalier about this because it is not “news.”
If you want to read some news that’s similar, check out the horse torture thread in Off Course.
I don’t think the sicko in Missouri would have spared this horse because PV and his ilk had been strung up by their fingernails for what they did to horses in the past. But when modern-day horse abusers are let off with a slap on the wrist, know that “history is repeating itself.”
[QUOTE=alterbecauseimacoward;2659246]
So I’ve been searching online for stuff about Paul Valliere, because I’ve been taking a few lessons with him and wanted to know more about this whole horse-killing thing. Of course the Chronicle forums came up in my search, and y’all clearly really hate him. My question for you is: why? I mean, yes, it’s terrible that he had a horse electrocuted for the insurance money. But it was a mistake made like 10 years ago. So what exactly is the problem with him?[/QUOTE]
Seriously a Mistake? No it was a well thought out planned scheme to collect insurance money - which is fraud and a federal offense not to mention the little value he placed on horseflesh and the lack of compassion he had/has for the very animals that make him a living. So have a great time w/ your lessons
No real comment here except to correct the time line. These occurences were closer to 20 years ago.
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