sigh You’re right Xegeba…and there’s where the issue lies.
If EVERYONE who is disgusted by certain behaviors blows the whistle on those doing them…well, you cannot punish everyone, can you?
If discussions like this cause more nancy-pants people into actually finding their voices and using it…then eventually we start to tip the scales to the side of those who not only talk about morality, fairness and sportsmanship but actually walk the walk too.
But I do read often on these BBs about endless people who will willingly post and gripe about bad or even illegal behavior they see on showgrounds…yet they never said a thing while on the showgrounds to anyone who can fix the problem. 
Sometimes I’m amazed and always dismayed at those who claim being “non-confrontational” to the point of allowing bad behavior…yet will be confrontational as heck online. :no:
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If they only knew. Not even 10% of these @ssholes get caught. Any trainer that needs closed doors is a red flag and there are plenty of those[/QUOTE] So… we have two posters that I have gathered are professionals in this sport. They post about what they have seen and know. Have either of you blown the whistle? If not… Why?
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So… we have two posters that I have gathered are professionals in this sport. They post about what they have seen and know. Have either of you blown the whistle? If not… Why?[/QUOTE]
It actually is amazing how difficult it is to blow the whistle. At times it is almost like they are protected by the governing bodies. In short you can blow the whistle but it is in vain unless it gets exposed by the press then all of a sudden there is action taken.
Stuff happens to people with big mouths, but none of these people recieve any business from me. I am not a client, but most of you are. Has your pro ever cheated anyone, broken the rules, stretched the truth?
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It actually is amazing how difficult it is to blow the whistle. At times it is almost like they are protected by the governing bodies. In short you can blow the whistle but it is in vain unless it gets exposed by the press then all of a sudden there is action taken.[/QUOTE]
That is true as well. Try telling someone in authority that so and so did this and they look at you like you are stupid.
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but I can’t imagine as a 16 year old being manhandled like that and not at least telling my parents. [/QUOTE] Typically speaking… the kid that a coach abuses… is the object of that abuse… because the coach picks his/her victim very carefully… and is very well aware of the relationships or lack thereof that the kid has.
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It actually is amazing how difficult it is to blow the whistle. At times it is almost like they are protected by the governing bodies. In short you can blow the whistle but it is in vain unless it gets exposed by the press then all of a sudden there is action taken.[/QUOTE] Yep! Hear no evil… Been there and done that.
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That is true as well. Try telling someone in authority that so and so did this and they look at you like you are stupid.[/QUOTE] Well… they know you are not stupid… and they probably are not shocked… but the ramifications of doing the right thing start out as a little snowball… and become an avalanche by the time everyone is done giving their version of the story.
Not that I am aware of.
That was one of the criteria for selecting the person I am sending my colt to.
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This post is absurd -IMHO.
The horses are Acres Wild are in the best care and top condition. Injuries are NOT taken lightly, his vets do everything they can to keep those horses as comfortable and sound as possible while showing. The grooms LOVE the horses, the owners are highly involved, his wife has his back through EVERYTHING and ANYTHING.
I worked there for a year and a half - I have nothing but GREAT things to say about how Acres Wild is operated. To say he does not care about how the horses are cared for TODAY is SLANDER.[/QUOTE]
Bullsh1t- Character is defined as what you do when people aren’t looking. He’s proven that he lacks ethics/morals. The vets, owners and grooms may love the horses, but I guarentee you that to PV they are expendeble means to an end.
Now I could swear I read somewhere of abuse happening at Acres Wild in RI… it was something recent, involving a woman, and lots of neglected horses… cant seem to find it anywhere though… and I’m searching! anyone?
logic would dictate…
that if any of you are training with an A Circuit trainer… that has been on The Circuit before/during the PV debacle… that trainer certainly heard rumours…because we all know that there is no such thing as an A Circuit Secret… this would mean that your trainer is a morally corrupt person… would it not?
I found the artilcle, not idea if it’s the same farm… it does say the name of the street the farm is located on… I lived 10 minutes from there 22 yrs ago, and my memory is fuzzy at best!
I tend to avoid these threads like the plague but wanted to point out that the article referenced above is about a different barn, actually called Aces Wild but spelled Acres for whatever reason.
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But I do read often on these BBs about endless people who will willingly post and gripe about bad or even illegal behavior they see on showgrounds…yet they never said a thing while on the showgrounds to anyone who can fix the problem.
Sometimes I’m amazed and always dismayed at those who claim being “non-confrontational” to the point of allowing bad behavior…yet will be confrontational as heck online. :no:[/QUOTE] LOL! Those that have the least to lose… are the most vocal! Once in a great while… there will be one person that has the intestinal fortitude to walk the talk… that person suffers the personal consequence for the greater good. Someone turned on PV… who in turn… sold out his partners in crime… which in turn… exposed what probably turns out to have been or continues to be a common practice. The ones that do it now… are just a wee bit smarter than the brethen from years past.
It’s too little, too late. I’ve heard other things from the past. He will continue to pay for his crimes against horses and horse people for as long as he walks the earth. He will NEVER be accepted by most of us who actually like horses. I, for one, will make sure of it.
Since when does being a multi millionaire mean you have a heart or a functioning brain or a clue? Multi millionaires are still people and they can still be heartless and cruel. Their only consideration is winning at any cost. Wealth has no bearing on having a conscience, a heart or a soul. It’s not something you can buy.
Additionally it’s doubtful that a person like that would actually know what is going on day to day in the barn or behind the scenes. Most of his customers probably didn’t know what was going on 23 years ago either.
When a new customer shows up on his doorstep does he tell them the entire story and allow them to make the choice to continue? He should. If they do that tells the world a great deal about their character as well.
There are enough trainers who can actually set foot on a show grounds and are infinitely more talented as trainers and teachers. The show world has not stopped because he isn’t around. Has it?
He has not served his suspension - he continually and to this day has found ways to circumvent it. I’m not impressed.
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Since when does being a multi millionaire mean you have a heart or a functioning brain or a clue? Multi millionaires are still people and they can still be heartless and cruel. Their only consideration is winning at any cost. Wealth has no bearing on having a conscience, a heart or a soul. It’s not something you can buy. [/QUOTE] I would say that you are correct in this assessment. However… I have seen just as many shitheads that come from the other side of the tracks as well…
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When a new customer shows up on his doorstep does he tell them the entire story and allow them to make the choice to continue? He should. If they do that tells the world a great deal about their character as well. [/QUOTE]
Funny you should mention this…I was wondering the same thing.
See, I have a client and, when we first met, I thought he might be a bit difficult but that I could work with him. Then, toward the end of the meeting, he mentioned that he should probably tell me he was in the midst of some nasty litigation as a result of a newspaper article. I asked why, and he told me that the article had defamed his characted and to him as good as called him an alcoholic, wife-abusing, gun-toting, murderous nutjob. Uh oh…
BUT, then, to his vast credit, he got me a copy of the article to take with me, read, and get back to him. I read it, and my first question was “did an editor even SEE this?” because it was a hatchet job. Some online research showed most of the information was false, and I asked him directly about some of the other allegations. He took my questions and answered honestly.
I took him on as a client. He’s not a saint, but he was upfront and honest and told me before I found out that there was a serious issue looming. THAT is why I bothered to do the research and even consider him.
PV has not to my knowledge done this. He has not baldly stated “I did something awful, this is what it is, these are the consequences and how they affect my students - you need to know this and decide what YOU want to do.” My client did do that, which spoke lots more to me about his character.
I will not defend every aspect of my client’s behavior, and he knows it. But, within the scope of the relationship I have with him, I can look in the mirror and not need an alter to acknowledge it. That PV’s supporters seem unwilling to do the same speaks volumes to me.
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Funny you should mention this…I was wondering the same thing.
See, I have a client and, when we first met, I thought he might be a bit difficult but that I could work with him. Then, toward the end of the meeting, he mentioned that he should probably tell me he was in the midst of some nasty litigation as a result of a newspaper article. I asked why, and he told me that the article had defamed his characted and to him as good as called him an alcoholic, wife-abusing, gun-toting, murderous nutjob. Uh oh…
BUT, then, to his vast credit, he got me a copy of the article to take with me, read, and get back to him. I read it, and my first question was “did an editor even SEE this?” because it was a hatchet job. Some online research showed most of the information was false, and I asked him directly about some of the other allegations. He took my questions and answered honestly[/QUOTE] Gotta love the internet… did you talk to his wife? She probably has a different version of events? Since when is being an “alcoholic” a bad thing? My favorite Senator is a rager… gun-toting… what does this mean? murderous nut-job… this guy is walking the street and talking to you about horse training? Does the guy pay his bills?
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It’s too little, too late. I’ve heard other things from the past. He will continue to pay for his crimes against horses and horse people for as long as he walks the earth. He will NEVER be accepted by most of us who actually like horses. I, for one, will make sure of it. [/QUOTE] Seal… I have a retired horse in the north forty. He is very naughty. Super under-saddle… but the boy is a one -horse- personal -property- wrecking machine. My husband hates this horse. My husband wants to shoot this horse. It would be within his rights to do that. However… this horse is not insured… If the horse was insured… I can guarantee you that the thought would cross the Mind of the Husband… to somehow kill the bane of his existence and get a payout… the fact of the matter is this… all of you PV haters are hating because the guy tried to cash in the insurance policy. You cannot hate a person for killing his horse… because that happens EVERY DAY.
