Yes, people do kill horses everyday, in a variety of ways for a variey of reasons.
Anyone who would electrocute or otherwise torture them to death them is a scumbag…no matter what his name is or his motive was.
The insurance fraud is just the reason they went to jail, the killing by torture is what no one should ever forgive.
Scumbag is just my term, I believe that psychologists have a more technical term for people who torture animals.
[QUOTE=BarbB;2660983]
Yes, people do kill horses everyday, in a variety of ways for a variey of reasons.
Anyone who would electrocute or otherwise torture them to death them is a scumbag…no matter what his name is or his motive was.
The insurance fraud is just the reason they went to jail, the killing by torture is what no one should ever forgive.
Scumbag is just my term, I believe that psychologists have a more technical term for people who torture animals.[/QUOTE] Actually, death via alligator clips is quick… far different than the legal way of disposing of unwanteds… trailer to feedlot. hangin out in the feedlot… trailer to SH… hanging out in the feedlot at the SH… goin down the chute… I put the legalized way of disposing of your unwanteds on par with the method of the pipe to foreleg. Death by alligator clips is mercy compared to that hell.
Oh well then, THAT makes it ok. And here I have been thinking it was a BAD thing to do.
:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=jetsmom;2660773]
Bullsh1t- Character is defined as what you do when people aren’t looking. He’s proven that he lacks ethics/morals. The vets, owners and grooms may love the horses, but I guarentee you that to PV they are expendeble means to an end.[/QUOTE]
I just wanted to pipe in on the fact that I can vouch for the fact that he does NOT see these horses as complete expendable means. When I was searching for a horse 2 yrs ago I looked at one of his. He had just gotten the horse and it had some swelling in its leg but wasn’t lame on it, so I tried it and he was offering it at a bit of a lower price. I tried the horse and LOVED it and the next day we were going back to try it again. He called us a half hour before our appointment and said that the horse came out really puffy this morning and the vet looked at it and it had a HUGE strain in its suspensory that if in work would most likely tear. PV told us exactly that and said if you’re still interested I’ll sell her to you for half of what I was offering as lower in the first place, she will heal fine but I know it would take out your show season and she’s a great match for you. We decided to pass and found out later that he healed her up and sold her as a junior hunter. If that doesn’t show you that he cares at this point in time, I couldn’t tell you what does. He used his money and gave her an expensive stall to wait for her suspensory to heal and THEN sell her. I’ve also taken many lessons with him as a ship-in and the biggest thing he stresses is riding how you need to ride in order to make it the easiest for your horse to do his job. I also guarantee you that if not all of his clients, 99% of his clients know what he did when they start being full time show clients. He (or somebody) has to explain to them why he can’t train them at shows does he not? Yeah what he did was horrible, and he should never be given full freedom of things and if he ever was able to get back in the USEF I would definitely be all for him being watched like a hawk by the USEF. Murderers get second chances all the time, he killed a horse, which as much as I love, is not as bad as killing one of your own. They are given second chances because it’s the best way to put somebody on the right track, give them a path that leads to success and they will see the reward of being on a path like that.
why don’t all of you PV haters…
take your anger and angst… and make a difference. Where are all you people on the slaughter threads? Why don’t you form a grass-roots organization … and patrol the A circuit for the horse abuser? Because they are out there. Where are all the petiton- signing spearheads… when an A circuit trainer and judge admits and cops a plea to CHILD abuse? Do I see a special web-site where one can sign… to voice disapproval for that scumbag? How many of you have sent a horse off to the killers?
[QUOTE=BarbB;2660997]
Oh well then, THAT makes it ok. And here I have been thinking it was a BAD thing to do.
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Barb… no premature death of any horse is okay in my book… but as long as YOU support an industry that supports legalized homicide of a horse… you cannot be picky about how a horse meets it maker…
Yes, actually I can be picky and I am. And just FYI, trying to turn every thread on the boards into a slaughter discussion is doing more harm than good.
[QUOTE=VarsityHero4;2661003]
I just wanted to pipe in on the fact that I can vouch for the fact that he does NOT see these horses as complete expendable means. [/QUOTE] Yes, he does… and so does every other person that makes money in that world. Trainers, vets, grooms, braiders, shoers, owners… the horses are expendable. Some are more PC about how they voice their opinion… but I promise you… if every POS was on any of those peoples dime… gone… next… alligator clip, pipe to the foreleg, death by apple choke… truck to the SH… as long as it does not include insurance fraud… buhbye…
[QUOTE=BarbB;2661008]
Yes, actually I can be picky and I am. Any just FYI, trying to turn every thread on the boards into a slaughter discussion is doing more harm than good.[/QUOTE]
Good try… but I just post dumb.
[QUOTE=alterbecauseimacoward;2659246]
But it was a mistake made like 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]
I watched Platteau Rossiere get dragged up the driveway to go have his (bogus) autopsy. Later to learn the horse had been killed for $$. In my eyes that’s murder. Be it animal or human. It’s murder.
The many folks who were involved are scum in my eyes.
Paul (and Barney) probably got richer from the horse industry after the whole insurance mess than beforehand. Blood washed off their hands and back to business as usual… sad…
If he wouldn’t have been caught he would have continued doing it. Hell who says he hasn’t done it before. People like that should be banned to have or to take care of animals the rest of their lives. After all Death Row is filled with people that have excuses about why they murdered someone.
I can’t believe there are actually people here standing up for him. That is unbelievable to me. :eek:
[QUOTE=jetsmom;2660773]
Bullsh1t- Character is defined as what you do when people aren’t looking. He’s proven that he lacks ethics/morals. The vets, owners and grooms may love the horses, but I guarentee you that to PV they are expendeble means to an end.[/QUOTE]
Seeing you haven’t been to Acres recently, I don’t think it’s fair for you to say that. He does his own night check, he mucks stalls, he ensures top care, he sends the retired horses to a beautiful facility in VA. If they were expendable, he would just put them all down… instead of continually paying for a living, breathing, eating horse. He wouldn’t offer to pay for colic surgeries for horses he doesn’t own…
I’m a good person - and think what you all may - but I disagree.
It’s easy to avoid him. If you don’t wish to do business with him, then don’t.
[QUOTE=VarsityHero4;2661003]
He had just gotten the horse and it had some swelling in its leg but wasn’t lame on it, so I tried it and he was offering it at a bit of a lower price. I tried the horse and LOVED it and the next day we were going back to try it again. He called us a half hour before our appointment and said that the horse came out really puffy this morning and the vet looked at it and it had a HUGE strain in its suspensory that if in work would most likely tear. PV told us exactly that and said if you’re still interested I’ll sell her to you for half of what I was offering as lower in the first place, she will heal fine but I know it would take out your show season and she’s a great match for you. We decided to pass and found out later that he healed her up and sold her as a junior hunter. If that doesn’t show you that he cares at this point in time, I couldn’t tell you what does. He used his money and gave her an expensive stall to wait for her suspensory to heal and THEN sell her.[/QUOTE]
I can’t see how this proves that he cares about the welfare of horses. He could have had the vet out BEFORE having someone jump her around when the leg was already swollen. The strain may not have been HUGE when he first got the horse. It sounds to me like didn’t want to wait for her to heal, he wanted to sell her before anyone realized she was going to be out for a while. Note that he was still talking about what a great match it was when it was clear she was out. And by the way, if the horse was on consignment, he wasn’t paying for that expensive stall himself anyway.
(edited to say that I’m not saying he necessarily did anything wrong in this story about selling the horse, I’m just saying it doesn’t sound like solid proof that he’s a great horseman.)
[QUOTE=slainte!;2661131]
Seeing you haven’t been to Acres recently, I don’t think it’s fair for you to say that. He does his own night check…[/QUOTE]
Call me crazy, but I would be scared as hell that he was doing his own night checks…
As a side note, a friend of mine threatens her horses with death by Paul. They act up and she yells “I’m gonna call your Uncle Paul!”. It’s pretty funny. Most people don’t get it though…
[QUOTE=To the MAX;2661067]
I can’t believe there are actually people here standing up for him. That is unbelievable to me. :eek:[/QUOTE]
So unbelievable. Not unlike the people standing up for Michael Vick. Murder is murder. They (the animals in our care) trust us and we kill them for money, not performing, outliving usefulness. What does this say about us as a society? I believe our moral center is really askew.
The ONLY reason I’m gonna post this is we have newbies that don’t know…and another attempt by PV and/or his fans to apear “normal” and such a good guy he should have his suspension lifted. Probably a good thing this came up even if I really doubt the OP was doing anything other then either trying to get us thinking we should allow him back in or start a wreck.
PV paid a hit man to do it. Then lied and collected money for it. Then, when he got caught, he flipped on his “friends” in a plea deal. Then he thumbs his nose at being suspended by coaching 5’ off the property via cell phone and sneaking on during off days or when he thinks nobody is looking.
Yes, what an ethical type of person to entrust with my animal and my money. Didn’t even have the guts to off his own. No thanks.
And, you know, he just got caught with that one particular horse, who knows…:rolleyes:
I think that the people that think electracuting a horse is “more humane” or “no big deal” need to see it happen to understand… yes, many people have their horses humanely destroyed… this was not the case with PV… and most dont do it for the money either. IMO he did not get what he deserved… no jail time, and somewhat welcomed back into the horse world… just unbelievable…
He didn’t do it to put the horse out of pain. He didn’t do it because it was the responsible thing to do with one that just did not work out and had nowhere to go…actually he didn’t even do it but paid a pro to do his dirty little deed.
No. He did it for MONEY. Pure and simple. Not the first. Won’t be the last. But he got caught.
[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;2661211]
I think that the people that think electracuting a horse is “more humane” or “no big deal” need to see it happen to understand… yes, many people have their horses humanely destroyed… this was not the case with PV… and most dont do it for the money either. IMO he did not get what he deserved… no jail time, and somewhat welcomed back into the horse world… just unbelievable…[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, not SOMEWHAT welcome back, but VERY welcome back by some of the biggest names in the show industry. Its sad, really…and disheartening to those of us for whome winning is not the ultimate objective. His web is woven deeply and ubiquitously through the A circuit - I think moreso now than prior to him geting caught.
What you see on the outside is not the man that exists behind closed doors.
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