Doesn’t her farm have Paul Valliere out for clinics too? or at least did a few years back, but well after he was perma-banned?
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No more than 3 years at the most, which is not “long”. They were running the business together and married at the end of 2021.
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Both Jeff and Shelley worked for Paul Valiere many years ago
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I’ve never heard that! Most interesting.
They publicly advertised it for years.
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I’m not sure why people send their horses or, especially, their children to her. There seem to be very questionable ethics and at least one employee who likes “discipline” a whole lot. But as long as people keep looking the other way, nothing will change.
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Wasn’t the safe sport allegations and investigation begun about that time. It is possible that until then Shelly had no knowledge of the behavior with a child. I’m not saying that she couldn’t have had any knowledge, I’m saying it is possible that she had no knowledge. I actually do not know what she knew or did not know. I do know there were people close to the matter who did not know.
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You stated “long-divorced.” I was just saying that was not the case.
I know you keep saying she didn’t know and no one told her. I have a very hard time believing that it was an open secret for such a very long time and she would just have no clue. That not a single person would have mentioned it or that she didn’t observe things with her own eyes over the many many years they were married, worked, lived and traveled to shows together. That is just not how the horse world works.
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I have no idea what she knew or did not know. I’m just saying that it is possible she did not know or even suspect. Humans can be quite devious, even horse people. I lean towards the presumption of innocence which means that I lean towards the possibility that she knew nothing, it doesn’t mean that I have any knowledge of what she knew or didn’t. Lastly 3 years is a long time. 3 months not so much.
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I am not excusing anything any molester did!!
On the topic of the wife for sure having to know all along I think about it this way, there are so many people who do not know their spouse is having an affair for years and years, when all the spouse’s coworkers and friends know. We (general) do not know to not believe the people we love, until we know to not believe them.
It is believable to me that this wife simply did not know this was happening.
People who want to hide things are good at hiding things from the people they do not want to know about them. And I have no doubt that not one horse person walked up to the wife of a molester and said - so I hear your husband is having sex with teenagers.
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This popped up in my news feed today.
I know nothing on the Camph situation (although I’m inclined to side more on the “really? The wife knew NOTHING? Cognitive dissonance? Willful ignorance?)
Nevertheless, memories are long here and IMO it’s in questionable taste for USEF to nominate this person at this moment. As soon as I saw her name, I thought isn’t that the woman that was married toJeff? If they really are divorced, why didn’t she get her name reversed? It really shouldn’t matter but optically it does.
Coming back to the link, I just shared, different sport, but safe sport appears to be operating on the wild West border of within established law, which has been one of the main complaints all along
I personally know of several situations where someone has threatened or actually utilized safe sport to enact revenge on another party with no actual basis (Ali nilforushan most readily comes to mind) Yes, safe sport did their thing and did the investigation, but yet that person‘s name was splashed across headlines and they had to go through some aspect of a legal process, probably spend money time and yes unwarranted embarrassment and it dilutes/diminishes the very real and valid mission that safe sport is supposed to exist for
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For anyone as frustrated as I was trying to get the story to open from the link in the above post, this worked better for me.
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I believe with what is being said in theory (that spouses don’t necessarily know about a partner’s abuse of other people, etc) but I showed a ton in the PNW in the relevant period, and there is no way Shelley didn’t know. This was way more than an open secret. If I recall correctly, there were legal settlements involved. It was also more than one student
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Here is a question: can the current cost-cutting sycophants administration easily or legally make changes to Safe Sport, either to hamstring the program by severely underfunding it, or dismantling it altogether?
Not really up there with my knowledge of US powers of Govt unfortunately.
isnt it tied to the Olympic / IOC requirements. No Safe Sport no international participations?
I know like with USEF it is required training education for the USA Archery federation
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It’s USOC, not IOC. So a US requirement for Olympic sports. It could go away and not affect US participation in International competitions. At least that’s my interpretation.
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https://www.olympics.com/ioc/safe-sport
the IOC also has a safe sport regulation in place for competitions but not easily found if they mandate a compliant system for a country to be a participating nation
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I saw that and came to the conclusion that there wasn’t a firm requirement but, with the IOC, who knows. The IOC thing may be in place to use if there is a major problem with an athlete. Wasn’t there a SS controversy over a coach or athlete at the Paris games? I found this, but it doesn’t name names. https://www.safesportinternational.com/2024/08/safe-sport-international-demands-stringent-criteria-for-the-protection-of-athletes-from-perpetrators-of-abuse-following-failures-at-the-paris-olympic-games/#:~:text=The%20Paris%20Olympics%20saw%20multiple,the%20impact%20minimised%20in%20society.
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it shouldn’t be so difficult to find this info . I will say I often find both FEI and World Archery web sites terrible for finding the info you need
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The Campf’s situation was well before SS was instituted. I refuse to speculate, as that leads to reputational destruction without substantial evidence. The legal system dealt with the accusations (the settlement) at the time. SS dealt with it once it came on the scene. Clearly, SS’s investigation found that Shelley was not involved in such a way as to be sanctioned.
Either we trust SafeSport’s decisions in this case, or we don’t trust them in any case. You don’t get to have it both ways.
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