Pessoa Rig

What are your thoughts on it?

I work and train my own horses and don’t use any special equipment other than sweat and tears. Having said that someone I ride with uses it and has suggested for me to use it on our young horses. Generally speaking I’m not a fan of any extra equipment to help shortcut the results I’m working on through riding and ground work. I’ve got 2 young projects right now one being a 3 yr old that I am about to start training.

The purpose of the rig seems to be to encourage long and low. I think I understand that they are trying to do with the system but I am so reluctant to try it because I’ve always done the training myself without “gimmics”. Is this one?

what your thoughts on this system, pros and cons and your experiences?

I’m personally a fan. A fellow boarder helped me use one on my OTTB - and when used correctly it helped quite a lot. I wouldn’t call it a shortcut - I used it maybe twice a week in between our under tack rides. For my horse it helped him learn how to use himself correctly with all the pressure evenly distributed. Being an ex racehorse, it helped him figure out he can do things going right!

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In my experience, it’s a tool, no more and no less, and can be used for good or for bad just like any tool.

Practically speaking, keep an eye on the rump strap - some horses get rubs from it more easily than others.

Perhaps you don’t have a need for it, but we find that the Pessoa offers helpful variety for both green and trained horses. It helps horses exercise in a proper frame (rather than just bombing around on the lunge), it’s a change from having a rider up when they’re figuring out what it means to balance, it’s consistent, it can be adjusted to be a higher or lower frame, they pull against themselves rather than a rider if that’s an issue. Theoretically side reins perform a lot of the same functions - but the Pessoa seems to encourage more whole body engagement and that’s why we like it better.

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“Shortcuts” are wonderful if effectively and appropriately applied by someone who understands what’s being “short-cutted” and why…and whether the short cut will end up in a (widely ineffective) “bandaid,” or a true “fix”/improvement. I find many shortcuts to be preferable to an application of “sweat and tears,” both of which are far too drying on leather. :wink:

The Pessoa rig is a way to help develop topline (and bottom-line/abdominal) muscles in a horse without the need of a rider (or the need for the horse to compensate for the rider). I wouldn’t consider it a “gimmick” or a “bandaid fix” in any way if used appropriately.

But I find that rigs like that, the ones that take an effort to set-up and then use on a regular basis, are best used in the hands of someone who wants to spend that time off of the horse. I am terrible about my daily riding schedule and what I want to get done. I prefer to do as much as possible under saddle because it fits into my routine so much easier. It might just be perception, but riding 5 horses in a row is easier for me to mentally manage than 4 rides and one lunge.

So in the name of gaining similar benefits without the need to lunge, I love my Equiband system (I can’t remember the website offhand since it’s the company name and not the Equiband name, but should be easy to google - and probably would have taken less time to google than to type out that you should do that, lol). The system is a saddle pad with buckles sewn to it that you attach 2 resistance bands to (one behind the butt, one under the stomach). I’ve used mine on multiple horses and felt that it enhanced my conditioning program. But you could also buy resistance bands (or use polo wraps) and tie them to the saddle to get the same effect much less expensively…though from a long-term approach, the actual system is much easier/better.

And I just have to say that the word “shortcut” used in a derogatory manner is one of my pet peeves among horse people. The image so many people seem to want to claim, “I ride all of my horses, without ever lungeing, in a plain snaffle, and no extra tack whatsoever because I don’t believe in shortcuts” is just silly. As is claiming that every tool is a “gimmick.” The pessoa rig is a “tool” just like the myriad of bits out there, the variety of martingales, reins, draw reins, neck stretchers, etc. Every tool has a purpose and a true horseman makes an effort to understand where those tools might help a horse reach a breakthrough or speed up (in a positive way) a lesson. Yes, the bad horsemen often rely on those tools to make something happen, but it’s not the tool’s fault to be in the hands of a shit horseman. And yes, many of the tools require someone to be a better rider than most people who would want to use them are (e.g. a harsh bit or draw reins). But a tool is a tool is a tool, and it’s up to the artist to make it something that creates or something that destroys.

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I love the Pessoa rig, when used properly, in the right educated hands. I agree with PNWjumper, it’s a tool, not a gimmick. Not sure I’d put it on a 3 year old though.

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Another when used properly the Pessoa is an extremely helpful tool, not a short cut or gimmick. It actually helps the horses build the correct muscles, does waaaayyy more than encourage long and low…that may be the safest way to introduce the system but even at long n low it encourages back to front movement and the ultimate goal is to get the horse more collected. Vet recommended it for my guy with kissing spines and to quote “do not be afraid to keep cranking it up” basically while of course allowing for an introductory period he wanted the horse to eventually build muscles for self carriage. And quite frankly from what I have seen of a Pessoa in use the horses prefer to be working forward into it rather than it loosie goosie.

I am a fan of side reins.

What I have seen from a pessoa is that when the horse’s leg moves back it creates a pull in the mouth. I could be wrong though. Enlighten me.

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I believe the pulleys allow the ropes to move with the hind leg movement. It’s not an immobile connection to the bit. This video gives a close up at one point: https://youtu.be/V23UV6E_dhc

We use it in our barn on a variety of horses, with great results. As stated above, it’s a tool in the toolbox, and should he used in educated hands.

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond and I will go take a look at the Equiband System as well and see what it offers.

All the responses are really appreciated. Gives me a lot of input on it and gives me a lot more to think about. Thanks everyone!

I love it! I feel you when it comes to being apprehensive about short cuts but I like this so much better than a standard rig because my horses seem to really work and get their hind end underneath of them more with the pesoa rig. I had a baby who was very long and gangly who was an angel but had a bit of trouble riding on the bit and engaging behind but after lunging her a a few times in this she improved really quickly and seemed happier under saddle. I’ve always been really anti gear and pretty anti draw reins but the Pessoa rig seemed to make everything click very quickly for young horses. I always keep it pretty loose and focus a lot on having them keep their butt underneath of them.

I like it and find it useful, I’m sure people exist who use it poorly though.

I recently started using a Pessoa type rig on my gelding. He’s an OTTB and older (not a baby), but has sat off an on the last few years and needs some help building his topline and hindquarters. He tends to drop his hindquarters out when lunging and even when he’s reaching down with his neck he doesn’t always push from behind and over his topline. The difference lunging in this rig has impressed me. I am already seeing a visible difference in his body after just a few weeks. I don’t feel like it is something I would use on my 3 year old yet but she is still pretty immature. For her long lines is still the better option until she matures a bit more.

If a horse manages to have BOTH hind legs extended, that pressure could be created, but since it is on a pulley system and indirectly connected to the bit, when one leg goes back the other one goes forward and loosens that overall tension (unless you have it unreasonably tight, but the incorrect use of a device does not in and of itself make the device incorrect).

I have used it over the years and it is a useful tool in my toolbox. I think it helps the horse (along with a thousand other things we do every day) build the muscles to carry himself correctly (one good step leads to more good steps) and for some horses (Xander, I’m looking at you) it helps them create the association behind “round+ flex equals release” without having the battle yourself (assuming you know what you are doing on the other end of the line) without really being rewarded for leaning on any one part.

Now after decades of riding TBs I never had a horse who just simply put his nose in the air and said “make me, and oh, by the way, I know you can’t because you have human arms and I have a fjord neck, sux2bu” (I am not making this up, that is EXACTLY what he said, as I tried endlessly to reward the tiniest bit of softness), but then I got one of those horses. I mean pony. I mean fjord. Amazingly enough when I had him in the pessoa rig he quickly got to the place where he could trot and canter quite balanced without support. And then he transitioned to side reins and I would lunge him 20 minutes before riding every 3rd ride or so, just to start him out on the right note. I’m not gonna lie, there was even a period where I had to use draw reins while riding (up until that point I had never needed them for this purpose), so never say never when it comes to training horses, because you will find the one that makes a liar out of you!

But I finally (through tools in educated and patient hands) got home the lesson that “you soften, then I soften”. I’m pretty sure he would still be trotting around with his head parallel to the earth without them!

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Thank you so much for your response.

I use one in the round pen. Loose and attached to halter rings instead of to a bit. Very gentle this way. Gives them a nice bit of exercise. They learn to balance nicely with zero stress.

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Thank you so much.

I had the same with a ‘pony’ that came here. She was parallel to the sky.

As I said I am experienced with side reins and I don’t pull them in, but you should have seen me celebrate the day she actually tracked up from behind as she started with so far between her hoof prints when we started. I think from what you said, and the experience I have, I don’t need to go and buy a pessoa. I can muddle on with what I am already doing.

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yeah, I had the cheap schneiders version in my tack room, if I didn’t, I’m pretty sure I could have managed without it, although it wouldn’t have been so satisfying as watching him so utterly thwarted by some ropes and pullies. :smiley:

Interesting idea. Do you think it’s as efficient a result(or close to it) as using it with a bit?

I use one with my gelding who generally tolerates pretty much anything - agree with everyone who considers it as a tool in addition to your regular work. I have been curious to try it on my mare but I’m a bit nervous about her reaction to it. Not to highjack the thread, but has anyone had a bad experience with introducing the pessoa?

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I watched someone lunging a horse in one that was kicking out at it at least twice in every circle. It certainly did not impress me and as a horse trainer I would not have done that. I would have gone back to only using side reins and having the horse solid in that before introducing something around the rump, but the sound of it once you have them going solidly in sound reins you don’t need the pessoa, so I am not the one to ask.

When breaking in a horse I use long reins so a horse would already be used to a rope around the rump, with lunging with 2 reins while long reining, so maybe that would not be an issue.

No, but I generally introduce it in the arena for the first time and attach it in such a way that the only thing that is “attached” is the butt rope portion. I introduce that, then loosely attach it to the halter side rings for a few tries, then move it to the bit.

I also have these short bungie attachments, about 3" long with a snap on one side and a ring on another. I found them decades ago, supposedly to attach reins to so beginner riders could learn to have elastic contact. I’m not sure they would be useful for that, but they are great to add a more giving connection for pessoa rigs or leather side reins (especially after that donut has given up the ghost)