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Petite Thoroughbred/Wanting an Event Prospect-Ordered, Update Pg2

Sport Horse Breeding
#1

I will be breeding my 16h Thoroughbred mare this year and am trying to find a suitable match. The mare has a proven competition record competing through the Intermediate level. Very lovely to work with, and if the foal were a carbon-copy I would be ecstatic. She did well in the YEH series, has been the easiest horse to bring along, and is just my own dream ride. She already has a great walk and gallop, and moves well. Smart on XC, but just a lovely demeanor.

I want an upper-level prospect for myself. I’m petite and dislike a heavier built ride. I also am making it a prerogative to keep a lot of blood. I think she could be improved by adding more power behind and would like to see a stallion that’s really elastic through their gaits. Our weakest phase being in show-jumping. I’d also like a stallion that has progeny on the ground going and a record of producing UL event horses I can compare to, and potentially marketable should I not keep the foal. I’m not prone to tricky rides, and I prefer a genuine brain.

I’ve researched who the top Eventing sires are, and I have experience working with a few young horses from specific lines. I’ve worked with some show-jumpers that came through Quidam de Revel which were just lovely, sweet horses. I’ve also some experience with a few progeny from more notable stateside Trekehners. From personal experience if I could find a stallion that carried enough blood which also came from Quidam de Revel line I’d be tickled. I just don’t want to go too heavy.

For reference my personal dream rides would have been Veronice (KWPN), Erin Sylvester’s Mettraise (Irish TB), and Fischeroccana (whose sire Ituango xx was 100% TB). Not ironically all small bay mares like mine, but I’m looking for a touch more power that stays primarily TB.

This won’t be my first foal to have, nor my last from this mare (cross-fingers), but I’ve only been involved with a few breed societies, as my family breeds sport ponies.

I’ve attached the mare’s pedigree and video for reference. Having only dealt with my pony breed registries, will I have a hard time securing a breeding with my mare only having her Jockey Club registry? Also on a maiden mare, would it be safer to breed to stallions stateside? I’ve dealt with importing frozen before and had good luck.

Thank you and happy new year!

Pedigree
https://www.pedigreequery.com/pretty+like+me

Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4VJBF24uiU

#2

You might have a look at Andrea Baxters young Stallion Coronado (Chilli Morning x Estrella) or Sarah McCarthys Esher DFEN (Escudo II x Apt To Please). Both of these Stallions have the qualities you are looking for and would complement this mare. I have watched both stallions grow up and watched both go under saddle.

I would look into having your mare approved with the registry of your choosing.

And then of course you could always breed her to a a Connemara :D;)

#3

I can’t help you with the breeding part, but your mare is LOVELY!:yes:

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#4

You’re not likely to have trouble getting a breeding, especially since your mare has a competition record and is presumably fairly correct-- you may even qualify for a discount in some cases, and given that she’s still young I would think frozen wouldn’t be a huge risk.

Personally I really like the look/ type of Sandro’s Star, although he might be a bit taller than you want.

#5

Well named horse! :slight_smile:

Would you consider going full TB with her? Not that there are a lot of proven TB eventing sires out there currently… but it would eliminate your registry concerns and keep the “blood.”

#6

Ferme Beaulieu near Montreal has a Quidam stallion and Denny Emerson has at least one of their horses.

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#7

Jaguar Mail tops my list for a stallion with a high blood percentage.

#8

Thanks for the advice and compliments! (She’s been so, so lovely. And I’m excited for this and to invest in my riding future with a quality mare.)

Have there been any Jaguar Mail foals born in the States? I’m trying to locate a broker that ships here.

And, height isn’t as big of an issue for me as far as type though I’d prefer just 16/16.1. My mare is very feminine which I like, and I like the feeling of having both legs around my horse. (It’s completely personal preference.)

Another big proponent I’m trying to look for is temperament. I think the mare has a lot to throw temperament wise and my young horses are raised with a lot of daily interaction, but one stallion I had on my list, I was warned by several people, has a history of throwing nappy young horses. Neither my family who caters to ponies nor I want to work with aggressive young horses.

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#9

There are several JM foals in the States. He had a lot of heft in my experience having looked at several of them. Nice horses though. Not as heavy as the Mighty Magic offspring but more than you would think give his high blood. But he is a big horse so I would not think he is what you want.

I would look at Diarado if you are wanting to add jump and good movement. Maybe Quiet Easy if you can find some. Bit have produced top levels. The QE are really known for their good minds too.

#10

You might want to look at available Anglo-Arabs. There are several with frozen for sale in the USA. Upsilon has a Holsteiner sire and doesn’t look to me to be likely to throw small, but Bonaparte NA, Tomatillo, and Persiflage are most likely still available here.
https://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/20…he-anglo-arab/

Take a look at Biddeston Stud’s webpage.

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#11

I considered the Anglo-Arab route. I do think this would keep the amount of substance and blood that I want.
But, Diarado is just stunning. I think that’s the route I’d like to steer towards to add more movement. And likewise, I’m not sure where to find Quite Easy.
I’ve reached out to a few people , so we’ll see what I can find.

#12

Profile of Diarado

https://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/2014/10/diarado/

#13

To throw a few more at you…Diamant de Quidam is also a beautiful stamp of a horse. I also really liked Diacontinus. Diarado is a bit out of my price range so I’ve looked at a few of his sons. I bred to Diacontinus but my mare didn’t catch (she was tough to get into foal). I may try again.

I do think with that with a full TB dam you can look at these more full WB. First cross will often be more blood type (although not always) but typically more than enough blood for at least 2* (new 3*). If you are aiming more for 4*(now 5*)…that’s when you want to stack the deck with more blood (like 70%+).

There are several French sires that I like as well as some Trakenhers.

I have bred my WB mares with AA. And love the out come. But for a full TB dam…going WB is often the better choice for the first generation (then crossing that offspring back to more blood is often really getting what we want for the top levels of eventing).

#14

I’d also add that I bred a TB mare to Grafenstolz and got a LOVELY stamp on the foal. Better neck connection than dam. He is just a lovely looking horse. Well above average mover (but so was the dam). Tall horse though…but so was the dam. But being an Anglo Trak. He rides the most like a TB compared to any of the WB crosses that I’ve bred. He got hurt as a youngster though so will not be more that a pretty lawnmower. So if you really really want a TB type of ride…you may want to look more at the AAs and TB sires. Or the right Trakenher.

#15

BFNE, that’s where I’m stuck now. I’d rather aim for a horse that would be a potential Adv/4/5 horse, and the numbers point in the direction that I need 70%. But, its certainly more eye-catching to want to add more movement and scope from these stallions with less blood. At the end of the day I don’t want to take away from what I like about my mare, a good gallop, great temperament, and correctly put together. I just wouldn’t mind if she just naturally had a bit more push from behind.

You guys have given me so,so much to work off of and research. I’ve made a lot of inquiries, and I’ve gotten great feedback.

#16

Yeah that’s the hard part for a first generation cross. A lot of these WB sires that have a high blood % do because there is some line in there throwing major heft that they are trying to refine! So the crosses can be unpredictable IME if wanting a real blood type…the heft just sometimes shows back up!. So sometimes I find the ones with the blood spread out a bit more predictable. Or look at a type like a Trakenher or SF that is a bit more blood type to begin with…but looking at the entire sire (and his dam) and what they pass on is really important.

It will be a bit of a crap shoot as unless you know your dam’s family…you don’t really know what she will pass on.

The WB cross will generally be easier to sell if that is also your goal. But thinking generationally is how you add that push and elasticity but get back in the blood. Really…it is all a bit of a gamble but I find starting with a good TB mare is a bit better for eventing.

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#17

Have many gone anywhere?

#18

Whatever happened to the Trakehner stallion Rusticus? I believe he was a premium stallion at the Trakehner licensing and was imported to the US. His sire was a TB so he is at least 50% TB.

#19

What about Navarone? On a full TB mare you’d be at about 76% blood. He has some eventing offspring and seems to produce some lovely dual purpose jumper/dressage horses. He isn’t too heavy either.

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#20

Anglo Arabian in Florida. 16.1h. (Videos normally not cell phone compatible)
http://allanglos.net/horses/angloarabians/item/angloarabians/signalbey.html

Thoroughbred stallion. 16.1h. Florida.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qbsRflKjDA8

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