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I swear I posted him in a reply here but I don’t see it! LOL He’s the first who came to mind given the interest in RR. Obviously he’s not useful if you want JC papers, but if you don’t HAVE to have them…
The Sir Arctic Knight stallion listed is from the Arctic White/Airdie Apache line which is hit and miss racing quality. AA does have some winning (or “winning”, depending on your definition) offspring, like Wear the Mask.
The big difference between, say, Risque Remarque (Frame) and Sir Arctic Knight (Dominant White) is that while both have a 50/50 chance at passing on that gene, and both can vary wildly in terms of phenotype, if you do get color, it’s more likely to be very wild with the DW than with the Frame.
These DWs can be tricky - some are known to produce very loud offspring in the 2nd generation and by that I mean - SAK is a much more minimal DW than his sire Arctic White, who’s a lot louder than his sire Airdie Apache. The odds of SAW producing a very loud foal with your mare are pretty good.
So, if color the likes of Airdrie Apache, or Puchilingui, or an all-white horse, are not what you want, I’d stay away from those lines.
With a Frame, you might get a totally solid color.
Is your mare chestnut? If so, you can maximize your chance of color, meaning lots of white on the legs and face, by using a chestnut stallion with lots of color himself. As D said, black-based colors tend to suppress those white patterns, so guaranteeing a chestnut foal will also maximize the odds of lots of white.
But if you find a bay or black stallion with lots of white himself, odds are good he’s got even more white “hiding” that he wasn’t able to express. They key is to know the difference between whether that black with lots of chrome, like Sir Arctic Knight, is that way due to splash or sabino, or in his case, DW.[/QUOTE]
Thank you! This may sound shallow, but I’m not a fan of the DW look and haven’t been considering them. I wanted to “play” with the frame gene.
Yes, my mare is chestnut, not super loud in color-- two hind stockings, a big blaze with small lip spot, but several belly spots, roany areas, and lots of white ticking. Looking through my phone now to see if I have a good picture of her white and roaning, since it doesn’t always show up clearly in pictures.
I understand the risk of getting a solid foal, which is fine, but is also why I keep feeling so critical of these frame TB stallions and wavering on the idea. But I really do want to try.
Even if the foal is a terrible racer, I am sure some people would want it just for the flashiness.
