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Pinto Thoroughbred Stallions

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#21

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8350416]
Thanks D_Baldstockings!!! Lots of good info!

I’ve actually been wanting to send her to Get Stormy for a couple years now, which would hopefully get me a runner plus some color. I just adore him- I adored him while he was racing, and I still adore him now that he’s breeding. Last time I was at the farm, they were letting me feed him peppermints and give him kisses. He’s the kind of horse you want to take home so you can spend your days feeding him carrots and braiding his mane. And the cross is great on paper. But something keeps holding me back about breeding to him and I keep going with other options. I think it’s the freshman sire aspect combined with the fact that I just am not a fan of the bottom half of his pedigree.

I should just suck it up and do it next year.[/QUOTE]

Never breed to a sire you don’t like!

#22

Had to post because I love this shade of chestnut - how shallow of me!

http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/130408/ide

#23

I Was Framed - forgot about him.

Sinatra’s Reply (is he still around?)
Apache Cat

Tiznow, while not terribly chrome-y himself, has produced some very chrome-y offspring, like Tiz Chrome (rip), so that’s an interesting thought,and certainly brings the racing pedigree.

#24

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;8350510]
Never breed to a sire you don’t like![/QUOTE]

Like I said, I ADORE him. Every time I’m around that horse, I feel like I’m 12 years old. The fact that I’m so “little girl gaga” over him makes me worried I’m being a barn blind dope… so I book her to stallions I’m not so gushy stupid over. :lol: I don’t know if I’m being logical or being an idiot. I dislike the bottom half of his pedigree for an unproven sire because it’s quite inconsistent, but it’s still leaps and bounds better than the bloodlines you see in the pinto TBs!

I didn’t get to see as many of his yearlings at Keeneland as I was intending-- most of them went late in the sale on days I couldn’t be there or watch. He’s covered a ton of mares over the past three seasons, yet I’ve only seen a couple of his foals. I can’t wait until they start hitting the track, then I’ll feel like I can make a more objective decision about him!

#25

Not shallow at all - the “muddied”, or splattered look that some of them have is definitely not for everyone. A lot of them are much more “normal” looking, even if they do have giant belly splotches and high jagged leg white, like Colored Sunset or Puchi Trap which I love a lot.

But it’s just a crapshoot - Colored Sunset is by Chet DT who’s by Puchilingui, and Chet is also very very loud, but Puchi Trap is directly by Puchilingui and she’s much more “normal”. So yes, if the Chet DT/Puchilingui look is not what you want, then stay away from known DW lines OR, there are some that are not passing that loudness on

Yes, my mare is chestnut, not super loud in color-- two hind stockings, a big blaze with small lip spot, but several belly spots, roany areas, and lots of white ticking. Looking through my phone now to see if I have a good picture of her white and roaning, since it doesn’t always show up clearly in pictures.

I understand the risk of getting a solid foal, which is fine, but is also why I keep feeling so critical of these frame TB stallions and wavering on the idea. But I really do want to try.

She sounds like she’s got a fairly good chance of producing something loudER. It just depends on the look you’re going for, either the Frame look, or the louder splash/sabino/DW look. Quite a few of the DW mutations look like “normal” Splash or Sabino, not the loud Puchilingui or look. I’d stay away from the Airdrie Apache line too unless, say, you find that Sir Arctic Knight has produced more like himself (ie more normal white) than his sire

Oh - Gone West. He’s produced some more chrome-y offspring as well.

#26

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;8350504]
maybe
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/128153/domestic-dispute[/QUOTE]

He’s an interesting one for a few reasons - he’s chestnut with decent chrome, AND his sire Unbridled’s Song has produced quite few more loudly marked offspring.

#27

Here are some pics showing some of her white spots and roaning (not great ones, it pains me to publicly post crappy pics, but I’m doing it):

Left Side (there’s a long story about why her front feet look so weird and underrun in that pic)

Right Side (she’s obviously the one at the bottom, can’t find another where you can see the shoulder spot clearly)

She also has two belly spots on her underside about the size of half dollars.

She’s had 11 foals-- I haven’t known all of them, as she’s had a long career on several farms. But the ones I’ve seen have all had 4 whites and a blaze. She’s done a really good job of not getting in foal for me since I’ve had her, although there have been excuses. She is 21, so I’m running out of time if I want to try this (or may already be out). However, she’s in good health and her dam kept successfully foaling into her mid or late 20s.

#28

OK, I love the look of those two! Puchilingui himself… not so much. That’s what I think of when I think DW TBs-- not so much white as just a lot of crazy roaning. Clearly I have not seen all that many of them!

#29

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;8350460]
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/130770/jet-phone[/QUOTE]

That guy is cute as a button! Although shipping to north Texas isn’t going to happen. :slight_smile:

But if I did, I’d be so tempted to use this stallion and double her up on Damascus. He caught my eye awhile ago and has been getting quite a number of stakes horses considering his market!

#30

I’m really enjoying this thread. Thank you for starting it. I think Painting Freedom is actually a decent mover! :slight_smile:

#31

[QUOTE=Megaladon;8350720]
I’m really enjoying this thread. Thank you for starting it. I think Painting Freedom is actually a decent mover! :)[/QUOTE]

I agree! I like him and his movement a whole lot better than what I’ve seen of Risque Remarque and Blue Eyed Streaker. But alas, Montana is one heck of a haul! Why are there so many nice pinto TBs in Montana anyway?

If nothing else, at least we’ve all gotten to see some flashy horses. :slight_smile:

#32

If you breed to a frame I would still DNA test the mare for frame, just to be sure she isn’t a carrier. Blue Eyed Streaker and the Racey Remarque family are the only frame stallions I know of. But since a few tbs carry it… Best to err on the side of caution with a cheap test than be devastated by a lethal white foal. DWs can be splashy not roany.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/D37DCB17-C4CD-487E-8256-0C11E4C94786_zpslempansf.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/fc06c314-0383-48b5-bf4e-7ff6d5f343cc_zps78bc7e4f.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/cocoa07jpg.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/Buckfeh651.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/LeahWalk1dayold.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/ChessieTrot2407Reudced.jpg

The first is Wild By Design, the others are his various shades of offspring

For DW Xanthus Farm stands Banachek. The photo on his farm website is old and does him no favors. He looks better in more current pics on their FB page

#33

Camohn, I had forgotten about your guy! It’s such a shame he was taken much too soon. He would have been perfect. (If I still lived in Oxford!)

And duly noted to test her for frame. I doubt she carries it, but that would be just my luck.

#34

I bred my solid Paint mare, whom I suspected of carrying overo*, to a very loud son of Painting Freedom. It’s a darn good thing I liked the cross from an athletic point of view. If I were so inclined, I could remove all the white from the resulting colt with tweezers. Yes, he has an eight-hair star. And that’s it. Paint breeding, which is what I did for about 10 years, is not for the faint of heart. :slight_smile: Presumably the colt could have hidden color from both sides, but he’s a gelding now, so that gift will remain wrapped.

  • One of the foals she had before I bought her was sired by a Tobiano and its name was something like Ima Blue Eyed Gunner. So I thought maybe those blue eyes came from her. I knew seven of her foals personally, ones bred by her prior owner and those bred by me, and never saw blue eyes.
#35

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8350615]
OK, I love the look of those two! Puchilingui himself… not so much. That’s what I think of when I think DW TBs-- not so much white as just a lot of crazy roaning. Clearly I have not seen all that many of them![/QUOTE]
Yep, there is the whole range of expression from barely there, to all white. One of the most interesting things (to me) is that W20 is now thought to be largely what we, collectively, have called Sabino for all these decades. “Normal” face and leg white, as it’s found in “old” breeds, so has been around a lot longer.

But look what W20/W20 does (splash anyone?), and look what W5/W20 does, and look at how varied hetero W5 can be.

http://colorgenetics.info/sites/default/files/styles/extra_large/public/NewMutations.png?itok=TY8F_lxb

#36

JoZ- I might be too faint of heart for it! I truly want to try, and this mare has a history of at least producing chrome. But if I get a solid foal, it will have a home for life, but will it be good for anything? Because these are crosses I likely would not choose if color was off the table. However, if I want to try for color, I’m going to have to compromise on pedigree and focus on just the individual. Which is why I’m really hoping for some personal accounts and experiences with offspring of some of these stallions.

My mare has been nothing but a “decent” racing broodmare in her lifetime. Her biggest attributes are that she has a good female family and consistently out produces herself. But I’m not positive she could still do that if the stallion brings nothing but a 50% chance of color to the table. So I’d like to make sure they have other things to offer!

#37

Fun thread! :slight_smile:

Blue Eyed Streaker I love a lot but check with Karen (his owner) to see if she is standing him to the public still. I know he is getting older …

Sinatra’s Reply is still standing to the public. Lovely stallion that produces some equally lovely offspring …

2 that would be amazing for you are owned by Stacey and Jen Tarr but unfortunately in CO at Stonehouse Meadows Sport Horses …

Artic Blue is genetically a black stallion but presents as pure snow white, by my former stallion Panoramic. 16.3-17hh - he is a fabulous mover and jumper and an all around sweetheart to deal with. You should get an abundance of chrome markings with him …

They also have a new youngster that will be standing next year - “Fly Me to the Moon” - palomino & white stallion from the Puchilingui lines. He looks absolutely amazing! :slight_smile:

They will also have another youngster standing probably in 2017 - another palomino & white TB stallion, by my former Guaranteed Gold stallion out of Puchi Trap - making him a full sibling to my lovely Faux Finish mare

Theresa Cullis in MT has several really special coloured dilute TB stallions

If I think of some more, will let you know! :slight_smile:

#38

Speaking of Panoramic he has a son here
http://www.megsonfarms.com/#!stallions/c230d

#39

Oh, now El Romeo looks interesting - he certainly has the sire, though I know nothing about the dam line for racing. He’s black (or very dark brown, can’t tell) and he’s got a LOT of chrome for being black, which to me says he’s got more than he’s showing. Storm Cat is quite capable of producing white

I wouldn’t do Arctic Bright View or Arctic Blue because of the decent chance of producing the “muddy” DW look.

#40

There is a color forum on Pedigree Query. You might ask there. Although their expert seems to have gone missing, so perhaps not.

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