Pinto Thoroughbred Stallions

He is interesting. His female family is phenomenal. PHENOMENAL! That is one well bred horse. The problem is himself. He had every opportunity as a racehorse and was abysmal, especially considering his breeding. And it doesn’t appear to be an injury issue looking at his record-- he pretty much ran the same race in 21 starts.

If I’m going to try to get color by using a loudly marked racing stallion, he’s going to need to check all the boxes for a racing stallion. It’s rare for a stallion of zero racing ability to pass on racing ability, no matter what his breeding. I don’t feel he’s much more likely to get me a runner than any of the pinto stallions. Although if the resulting foal was a solid filly, she’d at least have a little more residual worth as a racing broodmare by him as opposed to a pinto sire (we’re not talking much here).

For my mare’s pedigree, Storm Cat up top is highly desirable. But there is no shortage of Storm Cat out there. :slight_smile:

Does he have any offspring of racing age?

[QUOTE=TrueColours;8351029]
Fun thread! :slight_smile:

Blue Eyed Streaker I love a lot but check with Karen (his owner) to see if she is standing him to the public still. I know he is getting older …

Sinatra’s Reply is still standing to the public. Lovely stallion that produces some equally lovely offspring …

2 that would be amazing for you are owned by Stacey and Jen Tarr but unfortunately in CO at Stonehouse Meadows Sport Horses …

Artic Blue is genetically a black stallion but presents as pure snow white, by my former stallion Panoramic. 16.3-17hh - he is a fabulous mover and jumper and an all around sweetheart to deal with. You should get an abundance of chrome markings with him …

They also have a new youngster that will be standing next year - “Fly Me to the Moon” - palomino & white stallion from the Puchilingui lines. He looks absolutely amazing! :slight_smile:

They will also have another youngster standing probably in 2017 - another palomino & white TB stallion, by my former Guaranteed Gold stallion out of Puchi Trap - making him a full sibling to my lovely Faux Finish mare

Theresa Cullis in MT has several really special coloured dilute TB stallions

If I think of some more, will let you know! :)[/QUOTE]

Thank you! I just looked up Sinatra’s Reply-- I thought I did before, but I guess not. He’s in SC… not impossibly far away. Colorado and Montana are definitely not an option!

I do think Faux Finish is gorgeous, though. It’s a shame that option isn’t closer!

[QUOTE=JB;8351315]
Does he have any offspring of racing age?[/QUOTE]

Equineline says 2. 1 starter. No winners. AEI of 0.07. Nope, not happening. :slight_smile:

Don’t get me wrong, I wish his owners the best of luck. What a nicely bred boy. But I have plenty of other options for chromey racing stallions who are just as nicely bred AND have proven success on the track and in the shed. There’s no reason to take a huge gamble on both color and racing ability.

If you are truly concerned about racing ability, you might ‘go backwards’ and rank horses by ability to sire runners, then affordability, then color.

Realistically, unless your mare is a producer of great runners, you will do better to go for great conformation and the secondary market of eventers /hunters /jumpers in your stallion selection.

So no ‘odd’ legs, coarse heads, loooong backs, downhill as an adult or ugly -spastic temperament.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/thoroughbred-breeding/sire-lists/general

A colorful one in Florida
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/135933/sweet-return-gb

Louisiana
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/135361/songandaprayer

a grey with chrome
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/167044/winslow-homer

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8351392]
Equineline says 2. 1 starter. No winners. AEI of 0.07. Nope, not happening. :slight_smile:

Don’t get me wrong, I wish his owners the best of luck. What a nicely bred boy. But I have plenty of other options for chromey racing stallions who are just as nicely bred AND have proven success on the track and in the shed. There’s no reason to take a huge gamble on both color and racing ability.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree, and good decision.

I’ve just sent a PM to a friend who has lived in Lexington for a long time, who is a color geek and, because of her job, has followed a lot of racing careers and offspring production, to ask who comes to mind for her in terms of “racing ability and color”.

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;8351397]
A colorful one in Florida
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/135933/sweet-return-gb

Louisiana
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/135361/songandaprayer

a grey with chrome
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/167044/winslow-homer[/QUOTE]

Note that the last 2 are by Unbridle’s Song :smiley: I know many don’t like him for long-term soundness reasons, BUT, he does tend to put/allow more white on his kids. Whether his kids pass that on, I don’t know

Realistically, unless your mare is a producer of great runners, you will do better to go for great conformation and the secondary market of eventers /hunters /jumpers in your stallion selection.

I agree. I think the odds of “color” like Tex really wants, AND a decent chance at a racing career, AND good conformation with a strong chance at a nice sporthorse career post-racing, is pretty small. The odds of good color and a sporthorse career, or a decent racing career then a decent sporthorse career are much greater.

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;8351394]
If you are truly concerned about racing ability, you might ‘go backwards’ and rank horses by ability to sire runners, then affordability, then color.

Realistically, unless your mare is a producer of great runners, you will do better to go for great conformation and the secondary market of eventers /hunters /jumpers in your stallion selection.

So no ‘odd’ legs, coarse heads, loooong backs, downhill as an adult or ugly -spastic temperament.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/thoroughbred-breeding/sire-lists/general[/QUOTE]

Thanks D_BaldStockings! That’s kind of what I’m doing.

I don’t mean to sound wishy-washy. I mean, I’m wishy-washy on this idea. I’ve always been fascinated by color genetics and would like to try. But, I’ve spent basically my entire adult life involved with race breeding, so it’s going to keep coming to the forefront.

This horse is for myself. My primary interest lies in racing, beyond that I’ve done a little bit of everything. My goal from the color breeding endeavor would be to hopefully produce something with color (not just 4 whites) that will hopefully race. I’d also like the horse to be useful for something after it is done racing, or if it can’t race, or if the unthinkable happens and I can’t keep the horse. But since the horse is for me, I’m not just going to totally throw the racing bag out the window, since that is my primary interest.

I know I can find plenty of chromey racing stallions. I know what I’ve got as a racing broodmare and what she crosses with from a racing standpoint. I’ve evaluated her with just about every racing stallion within driving distance in my price range.

What I’m looking to learn more about are the “guaranteed” color producing options out there that actually are known to carry the frame gene (or DW gene). I understand I’ll have to compromise on racing ability with those guys, which is why I’m looking for more in depth info on them. If I go that route, it’s going to have to be the “right” horse. :slight_smile:

And really, now I’m just enjoying looking at pretty stallions, so keep 'em coming!

I’m sure this has already been said and I haven’t read the entire thread, but make sure you test your mare for OLWS. If she has it you won’t want to breed to another frame overo because you’d have a 25% chance of a lethal white foal.

[QUOTE=vineyridge;8351226]
There is a color forum on Pedigree Query. You might ask there. Although their expert seems to have gone missing, so perhaps not.[/QUOTE]
Jorge - the purveyor of all things regarding coloured thoroughbreds has passed on :frowning:

Colour is a funny thing - I bred my super chromey tb mare to Banderas expecting a bit of colour - and was blessed with a single star less than half an inch on her forehead. Next breeding, bred her to my stallion, and got a very loudly expressed rabicano.

Now that guy has completely missed my radar! Talk about an outcross! I don’t even remember that name from when he was running.

That dude is nice looking!! Need me to go scope him out? LOL

[QUOTE=K~2;8351468]
Jorge - the purveyor of all things regarding coloured thoroughbreds has passed on :frowning:

Colour is a funny thing - I bred my super chromey tb mare to Banderas expecting a bit of colour - and was blessed with a single star less than half an inch on her forehead. Next breeding, bred her to my stallion, and got a very loudly expressed rabicano.[/QUOTE]

Oh, how sad. He’ll definitely be missed. A really, nice and passionate guy over the internet.

[QUOTE=Nootka;8351507]
That due is nice looking!! Need me to go scope him out? LOL[/QUOTE]

Want to?

Everything about him has me both confused and intrigued! :lol:

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8351487]
Now that guy has completely missed my radar! Talk about an outcross! I don’t even remember that name from when he was running.[/QUOTE]

In terms of color, here’s what stands out at me:

he’s got really high hinds, and a decent amount of face white, but, being chestnut, I would expect a lot more in terms of at least some front leg white, and possibly more face white. This says to me he’s likely got some suppression going on, and could easily suppress white in offspring, even red-based ones.

I couldn’t (quickly) find pictures of any of his offspring to see what they had going on though.

[QUOTE=JB;8351522]
In terms of color, here’s what stands out at me:

he’s got really high hinds, and a decent amount of face white, but, being chestnut, I would expect a lot more in terms of at least some front leg white, and possibly more face white. This says to me he’s likely got some suppression going on, and could easily suppress white in offspring, even red-based ones.

I couldn’t (quickly) find pictures of any of his offspring to see what they had going on though.[/QUOTE]

What do you make of that extreme ticking? It looks like what I would call rabicano, but I’m not sure how that genetically plays into everything else.

He is just surprising to me. One, that I’ve completely missed the existence of a millionaire turf miler who had an extremely long career. Two, I don’t even understand what’s going on with his pedigree. It’s a bizarre combination of lines. :lol:

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8351487]
Now that guy has completely missed my radar! Talk about an outcross! I don’t even remember that name from when he was running.[/QUOTE]

I liked him the most in terms of phenotype of all the horses listed. I’m a real sucker for Diesis horses - they take to sport well, and Sharpen Up has made his fair share of jumpers.

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8351515]
Want to?

Everything about him has me both confused and intrigued! :lol:[/QUOTE]

Honestly, I could. I work 2 hours away but I am traveling up about 30 from there the weekend of the 23 if you could wait until then.

I really would like to see some get of his!

I found 1 but it doesn’t tell you much.

Filly
http://www.flyinglionfarm.com/horses/sweetfrassysass/frassy.html

Dam
http://www.flyinglionfarm.com/horses/ralsy/ralsy.html