Barely any white on that chestnut foal! That would be my luck. :lol:
I know right! At least your mare is chestnut too. I was expecting more than that but if you look at the mare she has minimal white so maybe a suppressor is in effect?
I would like to see him chestnut x chestnut. You care to be that experiment? HAHAHHAHA
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What do you make of that extreme ticking? It looks like what I would call rabicano, but I’m not sure how that genetically plays into everything else.[/QUOTE]
I don’t see any obvious skunk tail, but it’s not the best picture to see if there are even ANY white hairs there. More likely it’s from Sabino, as if it were rabicano, I would expect an obvious skunk tail with that much ticking. Rabicano isn’t ruled out, especially from this one picture, but it’s very iffy as to its presentation in being passed on, and the odds of having a very loud rabicano are already really, really small
[QUOTE=Nootka;8351577]I found 1 but it doesn’t tell you much.
Filly
http://www.flyinglionfarm.com/horses/sweetfrassysass/frassy.html
Dam
http://www.flyinglionfarm.com/horses/ralsy/ralsy.html[/QUOTE]
It actually tells me a lot, and makes me pretty convinced to not look at this guy for any color production 
While it’s not impossible for the dam to have her own suppression genetics going on, it’s more likely she isn’t contributing anything, and the fact that this stallion produced a nearly solid chestnut filly doesn’t bode well for his color production LOL
I saw the mare has another filly by Strong Contender. That filly has more white than the mare, by a stallion with less white than Sweet Return. My guess is the mare caused or allowed that much white on the filly, limited due to her own lack of white ,and not something actively produced by Strong Contender, but that’s just a guess. Either way, I wouldn’t look to Sweet Return to produce anything more than “meh” chrome.
While browsing that page, I found this guy, and so far he shows the most promise of being able to produce white, especially when combined with a chestnut mare with decent white herself. And oh look, another Unbridled line 
http://www.flyinglionfarm.com/sires/unbridleds-image/sire-unbridleds-image.html
Again, I know nothing about the damline, although “Out of one of the best Valid Appeal mares of all time, Sugar’s Image” sounds promising.
He’s not a terrible option for my horse and one I’m surprised I totally missed. My mare is a full sister to the former world record holder for the mile on the turf and throws really turfy babies. I tend to keep close tabs on the successful turf miler stallions.
I don’t usually consider Florida stallions because it’s a good 10 hour drive from me. But it’s easy enough to get a horse to Ocala.
I have some reservations about the bottom half of his pedigree and his success as a sire. But at the same time, a turf miler standing in Florida is unlikely to get the type of mares that compliment his running style. I’d be interested to learn more about him just in general.
Although I found two more chestnuts siblings by him with regular amounts of white. The dam is chestnut with some white, too:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10707073
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10618628
It seems it would take a pretty big fluke for me to get any more color with him versus anyone else!
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Please don’t breed to a stallion with no performance record. There are way too many people breeding useless horses for color, mane, and feathers.
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11 foals is an awful lot for a mare. Maybe there’s another nice mare you could lease to get the baby you’re looking for.
http://www.paintsporthorse.com/shell.htm
The more I look into C Spot Go, the more I think he’s what I’m looking for. I’m feeling resentful about how far away he is!
I like his type a lot.
He is unraced, but at least ridden under saddle enough for a picture.
He is from an actual immediate racing pedigree:
-His sire, Dancebel, was a winner of $200K in 89 starts. While he does not have the blacktype placings of typically successful stallions, he at least was an above average performer with a solid career and good race breeding.
-His dam, Stun, was unraced herself, but produced runners and winners, including a full sister to C Spot Run who was a stakes placed winner of over $100K.
For a thoroughbred stallion in Montana marketed for show/pleasure, C Spot Run’s stats as a racing sire are not terrible. He has 6 starters and 3 winners. From cursory glance on pedigree query, two of those winners are out of mares with somewhat similar breeding to mine.
My mare’s best foals have all been Northern Dancer up top, so it’s nice to retain that.
The fee on the website is reasonable, although I have no idea how recent that is.
I may actually pursue this more. I really need to think about logistics and whether or not I want to send a then 22 year old mare to Montana next summer… she’s kooky, yet tough and could handle it… but it’s one heck of a drive…
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Please don’t breed to a stallion with no performance record. There are way too many people breeding useless horses for color, mane, and feathers.
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11 foals is an awful lot for a mare. Maybe there’s another nice mare you could lease to get the baby you’re looking for.[/QUOTE]
I agree and I appreciate your concern. However, I’m going to breed this mare, whether it is to another racing sire or if I find a colored sire I like. I bought this mare to a) get a foal from her and b) give her a good retirement afterwards. I’m going to keep trying for the former until we either succeed or she’s not in condition to do so. So far, her health is good and she is still reproductively sound-- we’ve just been unlucky. Her dam delivered 16 foals and her second dam delivered 19; I’m not saying that’s right, I’m just saying based on history I don’t feel terrible asking this mare for one more.
No color, but for the $ Smarty Jones is siring some runners and is easy on the eyes.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/135234/smarty-jones
And American Pharaoh’s damsire stands in Louisiana for $3,500
http://www.drf.com/news/louisiana-yankee-gentleman-has-role-triple-crown-bid
And he looks like a real bargain for racing
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/135361/songandaprayer
… much of the time, ‘color’ is a 50% odds gamble. What if you get a solid chestnut filly? Always plan for worst case scenario; it can only get better than that.
Out of range $ wise, but if you can only have one foal, from Lane’s End farm…
http://www.lanesend.com/stallion/langfuhr
http://www.pedigreequery.com/langfuhr
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Out of range $ wise, but if you can only have one foal, from Lane’s End farm…
http://www.lanesend.com/stallion/langfuhr
http://www.pedigreequery.com/langfuhr[/QUOTE]
Not out of budget, he was actually on my short list last year, but I ended up going a different route. He is a great sire and was offered quite the deal on his fee.
But like I said, asking about colored stallions here. If it ends up solid chestnut, so be it. That’s part of the risk- that’s why I’m asking for personal experiences so I at least know the sire doesn’t throw worthless loonie tunes. 
I wouldn’t rule out Sweet Return. I have seen several of his foals and yearlings and most of them were quite blingy. I don’t think he is rabicano, just sabino. Some of his offspring do have the ticking, even bays. Unfortunately, my photos are on a work computer, but I was fairly satisfied by their conformation and balance. Good size and bone, too.
Are there any decent Marquetry sons out there? He was rather famous for color.
I found a Marquetry son in Idaho with a lovely pedigree, but he was the dead branch on the speed tree. Miraculous Hand–chestnut, two low whites, one white halfway to the knee and jagged at the top.
There was one who was rather successful in racing named Leave a Legacy who stood at Caines Stallion Station in OK, but the JC doesn’t have a report of mares bred by him in 2014.
And take a look at Insurgence. Lots of Bling, good pedigree, says he went to stud at Risner Farm, Blanchard OK in 2012. No report of mares bred in 2014. Lousy race record. He’s probably standing to QHs–Pulpit son, Agnes-Lea Lark lovely tail female He only had 3 starts and either got hurt or they bailed on him. HIs dam couldn’t run a lick, but she produced a bunch of horses who could. He looks like a possible.
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Camohn, I had forgotten about your guy! It’s such a shame he was taken much too soon. He would have been perfect. (If I still lived in Oxford!)
And duly noted to test her for frame. I doubt she carries it, but that would be just my luck.[/QUOTE]
You definitely want to test her for lethal white. I had a lethal white baby out of a stallion who had a very small belly spot. My mare has never been bred to another paint and has plenty of colored foals from solid bay QHs. Since I know she carries lethal I will never take the 25% chance by breeding her to another carrier again. It was tragic to see.
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Are there any decent Marquetry sons out there? He was rather famous for color.[/QUOTE]
I think Squirtle Squirt is still in Japan. But no. He unfortunately did not leave behind a legacy of sons, or daughters who produced sons.
Good to know! It’s unlikely I’d ship her all the way down to Ocala when I have Kentucky right here, but he has piqued my interest and I’ll definitely be keeping an eye out for him in the future. I can’t believe I’ve missed him all these years!
She needs size and bone, those are always two of my biggest physical requirements when searching for her, whether or not I’m looking for color.
That’s always something that gives me pause on the pictures of Blue Eyed Streaker-- he seems light. Risque Remarque seems slightly better, but I have no clue what Calmuet is doing with him. The MT stallions seem a whole lot better, but I’m not driving across the country for a belly spot (darn you horses, why are you so far away!).
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You definitely want to test her for lethal white. I had a lethal white baby out of a stallion who had a very small belly spot. My mare has never been bred to another paint and has plenty of colored foals from solid bay QHs. Since I know she carries lethal I will never take the 25% chance by breeding her to another carrier again. It was tragic to see.[/QUOTE]
That’s horrible!
I might just do it anyway even if I don’t find a frame overo TB I like. I’d be curious just to know, although it would be surprising if she does!
Do we know her pedigree? It’s highly unlikely she carries frame, given the few TB lines that have it. But I agree, given that it is in the breed, if you do seriously consider a Frame stallion, test her for peace of mind.
Marquetry doesn’t tend to put a LOT of white on, but the white he does tends to be really, really unusually and very cool!
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And take a look at Insurgence. Lots of Bling, good pedigree, says he went to stud at Risner Farm, Blanchard OK in 2012. No report of mares bred in 2014. Lousy race record. He’s probably standing to QHs–Pulpit son, Agnes-Lea Lark lovely tail female He only had 3 starts and either got hurt or they bailed on him. HIs dam couldn’t run a lick, but she produced a bunch of horses who could. He looks like a possible.[/QUOTE]
Took me awhile to find a pic, and you weren’t kidding about the bling or pedigree.
He’s from a good family. I’m surprised he wasn’t more expensive. His last start was in a G3 after breaking his maiden, and he ran speed figures in the 90s. Not a slug, I’m sure he got hurt. Especially since he didn’t resurface after his last race for 2 years where he sold for $2,200! I could have bought him and campaigned my own pinto TB stallion.
Pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/absolutely+amazing
I doubt she carries frame but I intend to test. I also feel pretty certain her roany spots and tendency to throw chrome come through her broodmare sire, but I don’t know where he got it.
Her damsire Transworld certainly has a good bit of white, and Northern Dancer on her top does a very good job passing down white genes. Transworld goes to Hyperion who’s also present in a good many chrome-y horses.
Not remotely any known Frame line there, but it still doesn’t hurt to make doubly sure
I’m going to spend the rest of my night thumbing through the November Mixed Sale catalog hoping I can find another “Insurgence” who will sell for $2,200.
It burns me up so badly when I learn I miss stuff like that!
