Pinto Warmblood Pedigree Help!!!

[Nootka]

[QUOTE=JB;8704660]
This horse is definitely buckskin, and he’s Tobiano. That’s very different from being “not pinto but splash markings”. The previous comments about “pinto isn’t in Han/Hol” were really in the context of this horse’s Tobiano genetics.[/QUOTE]

Colored Traks go back a long ways http://www.deschenhof.de/engl.docu.htm

Samber can show up in a Han pedigree http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10521542

Samber can show up in a Hol pedigree: http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10646718

Exactly. Thank you JB.

There are no approved HAN or HOL in tobiano pattern in these registries. The Han in this comment is not approved HAN and the HOL isn’t approved HOL. No picture

I think the “HOL” above is a mistake someone made. He is also in Sport-Horse data as KWPN and all breed as KWPN. It doesn’t make sense for him to be HOL (even the 1 offspring from the quote “HOL” is “interesting”…)
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=317833

Trak tobiano color does go way back but is highly rare. We are also in the USA and makes it even rarer. The only approved Pinto Trak was killed in a barn fire but now his son is approved. Son is now the only approved Pinto Trak in the US

http://americantrakehner.com/stallions/LordCosmo.asp

[beowulf]

How does that explain then, if we are taking OP’s words at face value, that this warmblood is both buckskin and tobiano if neither are currently recorded in any registries?

Color is not my forte, but I thought you needed a dilute to produce a dilute?

[Nootka]

Simple as…

They would be wrong 100%

If those results were given for a 2007 horse saying that the horse in question was HAN, HOL and Trak. Horse is dilute and Tobiano. I would have to retest or someone wasn’t the baby daddy that was thought to be.

If it was just Tobiano Pinto… maybe from Trak but now that the dilute is thrown in there. Nope… no way

You are right Beowulf… you have to have a dilute to make one.

If GOV Oldenburg (RPSI and a few others) was in there it could be different. Dilute and Pinto are allowed in there. HAN, HOL are very strict and Trak is a closed book

[bdj]

[QUOTE=DMK;8703689]
eh, you are in the Mid Atlantic and Silverwood Farm is in the Mid Atlantic, chances are he is down through one of her pinto WBs (Samber line). But that’s just a guess, and that’s probably as good as it gets.[/QUOTE]

If he’s from the MidAtlantic, Duellglanz (Hanoverian) was also bred to a number of Pinto mares, so some color could come that way… http://mda.maryland.gov/horseboard/pdf/Duellglanz.pdf

[D_BaldStockings]

From the OP original post:
" I was told he was a supposed paint/tb. His dam was originally purchased in foal with him and to use for breeding."

This is really the most likely ancestry of the horse, simply based on the numbers of both breeds being bred in the States.
Dilutes and Tobianos are both common in Paint horses; and there are dilute TBs.

Really no need to look for a possible European WB influence -until the DNA test suggested it.

[JB]

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8704694]
I’m guessing the OP is in MD? He kind of reminds me of a lot of the Maxamillion babies I’ve seen, which still wouldn’t explain the DNA test. He was alive and breeding in 2007 and certainly could have thrown both the buckskin and tobiano color, as well as the sharp knees over fences. He was a really cool horse.[/QUOTE]
I was trying to figure out what was ticking the back of my mind about this horse, and you are right, he’s got a very “Maxamillion look” about him. Doesn’t mean he is, but Max had a very distinct body type and this guy looks like that.

[QUOTE=beowulf;8705012]How does that explain then, if we are taking OP’s words at face value, that this warmblood is both buckskin and tobiano if neither are currently recorded in any registries?

Color is not my forte, but I thought you needed a dilute to produce a dilute?[/QUOTE]

@bdj;8705743

If he’s from the MidAtlantic, Duellglanz (Hanoverian) was also bred to a number of Pinto mares, so some color could come that way… http://mda.maryland.gov/horseboard/pdf/Duellglanz.pdf

I simply don’t put much faith in what the DNA test supposedly shows. Warmblood sure. TB sure. Even QH/Paint. But I don’t see how a registry - which is just a type, not a very closed set of genetics - could be specified.

[camohn]

If the mare was the dilute can’t help ya there. If it was the stallion the two that come to mind are
Maximilion
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/maxamillion

Gold Card
http://www.norsirefarms.com/goldcard.html

[ladyj79]

But you’d think since this DNA test was specific enough to pinpoint wb registries that if this were a max baby it would have included saddlebred. Since max was half saddlebred.

[camohn]

True but… Since there are very few pinto WB dilute stallions ( assuming both the pinto and dilute came from dear old dad) … It’s a very short list to start looking at…

[Nootka]

There are no approved WB stallions in the USA (yet) carrying Pinto and dilute

[camohn]

Not fully approved with the main registries no. But these two WB crosses were breeding with AWR/ AWS. Maxamillion more so.