BS. I’m a dog advocate. I love dogs. I don’t like seeing stories about them being maimed, mauled and killed for the “crime” of being on a streetcar. Or, in your version, being “a little yappy thing” that “ran into the pit’s face.” I don’t like bullies and I don’t like their pets.[/QUOTE]
No, you are not. If you were a dog advocate, you wouldn’t be on every pit bull thread making nasty statements about them. If you are a a dog advocate, you advocate for all of them. Pit bulls are DOGS too…no matter HOW you try to make them into evil beasts nothing like labradors or whatever your breed of choice is.
I’m not generally a fan of small dogs. However, I don’t make ANY decision on small dogs that I meet until I have assessed their personality. I would venture to guess that YOU, like MANY pit bull detractors, have NEVER met a properly socialized pit bull if you have met any at all.
You have made some seriously STUPID ASSumptions on this thread that is nowhere in the article presented.
By your thinking, I will ASSume that the stupid little Pom was running around the streetcar and bit a child disfiguring her badly before the pit bull stepped in and saved the day. Anyone else want to make an ASSumption?
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No, you are not. If you were a dog advocate, you wouldn’t be on every pit bull thread making nasty statements about them.[/QUOTE]
Oh, no, someone said something MEAN about my pibble! There is something monstrously selfish about the intentness with which pit bull owners pursue victimhood and ignore the real victims - which include their own animals. Your chosen, adored, beloved breed has such a serious aggression issue that it’s become the #1 landfill-ready breed in the world; the shelters are so packed a new generation of rehoming practices has been invented to try to push them out the door - free pits, easy home checks, free pit training classes, free pit spay/neuter. And none of it works. The no-kill shelters are trading pit bulls like baseball cards, and the municipal shelters are euthanizing them by the thousands. Because of mean people like me? No, because the pits have an earned and continuing problem with explosive aggression. Faced with similar problems, other breeds’ fanciers bred away from aggression, made great efforts to limit the ownership to experienced, serious owners and are so protective of their breed that their websites read like “NO! YOU DON’T WANT THIS BREED!” cautionary tales. Pit owners do nothing but whine and actively resist any measures that could help the breed - mandatory pit spay/neuter is “breedist,” BSL is "racist, special licensing is “unfair.”
That’s rich. Pit bull owners have been demanding dog owner support for years. And in return for our support, they’ve made our petstores and dog parks too dangerous to visit, gutted dog law enforcement with endless lawsuits every time a town tries to euthanize their attacking pit, created the most damaging matra of all time with “All dogs bite” and, when the stars align, letting their pit bulls attack, maul and kill our dogs.
I’m not the one who made them genetic nightmares that bear only a passing resemblance to a dog. That’s something you’ll have to take up with those who created them for blood sports. They’re not evil beasts; they could be remade as a much more normal, reliable, non-violent breed. But nobody’s doing that.
Oh, that argument. If only I had patted an ambassabull at a Petsmart for 5 minutes, my heart would grow 5 sizes too large! Please. I’ve met pit bulls and most of them were pleasant and didn’t attack me. But you can’t socialize the “wanna run in circles 'round that squirrel/duck/car/bike/toddler/etc.” out of a collie and you can’t socialize the “wanna maul that dog/child/horse/car/etc. to death” out of a pit bull. They may not want to do it 24/7, but you have a very high risk of that instinct kicking in at some point.
Your conclusions seem to be based on confusing the words “assumption” and “fantasy;” one is a generalization based on past experiences of similar situations, and the other is what we wish reality to be. Google “dog disfigures child” and then get back to me about how many stories you can find of small dogs (you don’t even have to stick to the Poms, you can use Yorkies, Pugs, etc.) disfiguring a child v. pit bulls. Yes, small dogs have maimed and killed children. As long as dogs exist, there will be some bites and the rare death caused by a dog. But ask anyone over 30; this thing where there are 30+ people dying of dog attacks each year is a new thing. This thing of having your dog mauled and killed by a neighbor’s pet is a new thing. Both these new things are linked to the pit bull boom of the past 15-20 years.
vacation ~ you may be one of the most ridiculous people on this forum. Your hysterical rantings on EVERY SINGLE thread regarding pitbulls and your inability to possibly see ANY possible scenario that perhaps shifts some blame away from these dogs is appalling, as is your unfounded adding in of details to this story in order to further your argument.
Dog advocate my ass.
Oh, and to keep this on topic: Yes, I think the dog should be returned to the original owners if they want the dog back.
Dogs being killed by neighbors dogs is not new. Arguably more frequent in the past when there were no leash laws.
Children being disfigured by (any) dog? I was aware of that when young, so it happened. Probably more aware of it because plastic surgery was not effective back then. People’s scars were out there to see.
Adults being killed by dogs ? That’s a new development, at least to my memory.
" This thing of having your dog mauled and killed by a neighbor’s pet is a new thing. Both these new things are linked to the pit bull boom of the past 15-20 years"
It is a new phenomena for neighborhood dogs to kill each other, but it may have more to do with leash laws and women working. Before leash laws, dogs would work out their hierarchy problems in the neighborhood. Each dog knew their place in the neighborhood pack. Fights were very rare. Now leash laws are implemented and dogs can’t work out their place anymore. Now every dog becomes a threat.
When women weren’t working dogs had their own personal pack. They weren’t left alone for so many hours a day. They had attention and company. They are pack animals. So society changes and women go to work and leave the dogs and many times kids to their own devices. And what we get is trouble.
It’s not PC to blame the problems with dogs or kids on women working. Much easier to blame pit bulls and many other breeds on the breed, incompetent owners, and other factors.
Unless most breeds are destroyed and the rest are bred to be caricatures of their former selves, the problems wil still exist.
I think the dog should be returned to the original owner, but I think the owner should have to adhere to the dangerous dog restrictions that Colorado dictates.
The article I read did not say definitively that the dog got loose, just that it was lost. Which could also mean stolen by homeless kids who then took a road trip with said stolen dog.
I do agree that pits have high prey drives and that this is likely happen again with this dog, which is why I think the owner should have restrictions. We don’t know the circumstances around what was going on with this dog leading up to the attack, maybe it had not eaten in two days and the prey drive was higher because of it. These homeless kids are obviously not responsible dog owners just up and ditching the dog when it attacked the small dog, and likely struggling to take care of themselves let alone providing proper care for a dog.
Just today another pit bull owner was found guilty of reckless homicide and sentenced to prison because their dogs killed a person. You just don’t hear about any other breed of dog killing someone who is just walking past the house. This is an unacceptable threat in a civilized society, a woman is just talking a walk and gets mauled to death and I’m glad people are going to jail for it but all the jail time in the world isn’t going to help the next person just going for a walk.
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Just today another pit bull owner was found guilty of reckless homicide and sentenced to prison because their dogs killed a person. You just don’t hear about any other breed of dog killing someone who is just walking past the house. This is an unacceptable threat in a civilized society, a woman is just talking a walk and gets mauled to death and I’m glad people are going to jail for it but all the jail time in the world isn’t going to help the next person just going for a walk.[/QUOTE]
You are right. You don’t hear about other dogs. WHY? Because fear sells. And people like you get all hyped up when you see PIT BULL attacks. So, the media plays to your hysteria. And advertises ANY dog with a block head and/or a brindled coat no matter what breed, becomes a pit bull. In all likelihood, the dogs are a mixed breed of some sort.
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" This thing of having your dog mauled and killed by a neighbor’s pet is a new thing. Both these new things are linked to the pit bull boom of the past 15-20 years"
It is a new phenomena for neighborhood dogs to kill each other, but it may have more to do with leash laws and women working. Before leash laws, dogs would work out their hierarchy problems in the neighborhood. Each dog knew their place in the neighborhood pack. Fights were very rare. Now leash laws are implemented and dogs can’t work out their place anymore. Now every dog becomes a threat.
When women weren’t working dogs had their own personal pack. They weren’t left alone for so many hours a day. They had attention and company. They are pack animals. So society changes and women go to work and leave the dogs and many times kids to their own devices. And what we get is trouble.
It’s not PC to blame the problems with dogs or kids on women working. Much easier to blame pit bulls and many other breeds on the breed, incompetent owners, and other factors.
Unless most breeds are destroyed and the rest are bred to be caricatures of their former selves, the problems wil still exist.[/QUOTE]
When I lived in southern NM, there was a horrific attack on a little boy, inside his own backyard. The four dogs were Rottweillers, belonged to two female owners (retired I think so they were home most of the time as I recall), and the owners had two dogs each, and had been cited by animal control repeatedly for letting the dogs wander. The little boy was attacked in his fenced back yard, and he had to be life flighted to Albuquerque, because his injuries were so horrific. The two owners were fighting to get the dogs back, and I don’t know what happened after that, and because I left the area, I don’t know how the poor child came out of it, but I’m positive from reports of the injuries, that the child was gravely, permanently injured. So it’s not just pit bulls, and I blame the owners, who had many warnings, and wouldn’t keep their dogs securely confined.
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You are right. You don’t hear about other dogs. WHY? Because fear sells. And people like you get all hyped up when you see PIT BULL attacks. So, the media plays to your hysteria. And advertises ANY dog with a block head and/or a brindled coat no matter what breed, becomes a pit bull. In all likelihood, the dogs are a mixed breed of some sort.[/QUOTE]
That’s a myth. If a pack of golden retrievers attacked and killed someone we would hear about it.
If Yorkies, JRTS and Chihuahuas came in Pitbulls size, I’m sure there would be movement to have them banned. they can be noisy, neurotic and aggressive, instigate fights, bite unexpectedly etc.
By the same token, if Pitbulls came in teacup size I’d bet no one would want them banned.
But it that isn’t what we actually have.
Perhaps breeding them to a to a smaller size with less jaw force would work.
Do you think home insurance companies either not covering or charging higher rates if you have a "dangerous dog breed "is based on feelings or hysteria?
I’m guessing it’s based on often/much they have to pay out on those policies.
My insurance company in Colorado had a list of breed restrictions, and as Chall said, it was based on payouts. The lists varied according to states, with the breeds they had to pay out claims on. The Arizona breed list was much longer than Colorado’s.
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That’s a myth. If a pack of golden retrievers attacked and killed someone we would hear about it.[/QUOTE]
No, first they would be reported as pit bulls…THEN you would hear about a retraction if you cared to hear it. But most people like you and Vacation1 don’t want to hear about it.
The most famous case that this happened with was the woman in San Francisco. She was reportedly mauled by pit bulls but they were later found to be presa canarios. This DOES happen. And, even if the dogs are mixed breed, if they have block heads and/or brindled coats they are reported as pit bulls.
There is a study out there which demonstrates this.
One other big difference with JRTs - I have yet to see a breed book encouraging people to buy a JRT. Every book & most websites say in some form or another that Jacks are high energy, aggressive, have tendency to kill small animals & that they are not for everyone.
Similarly, when the Dalmatian craze hit some years ago, there were a lot of people suggesting that families NOT buy these dogs.
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You are right. You don’t hear about other dogs. WHY? Because fear sells. And people like you get all hyped up when you see PIT BULL attacks. So, the media plays to your hysteria. And advertises ANY dog with a block head and/or a brindled coat no matter what breed, becomes a pit bull. In all likelihood, the dogs are a mixed breed of some sort.[/QUOTE]
You never hear about packs of poodles attacking, or Chihuahuas. Pit Bulls scare the hell out of me, b/c i do own small breed dogs and i don’t want them anywhere near my house running loose.
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You never hear about packs of poodles attacking, or Chihuahuas. Pit Bulls scare the hell out of me, b/c i do own small breed dogs and i don’t want them anywhere near my house running loose.[/QUOTE]
In all reality, you probably don’t want ANY breed of strange, large dogs running loose near your property though, right? Or would you not care if there was a loose dog of another breed…
Personally, I don’t care if you own a Pitbull, a Pom, or a Poodle…freaking train your dogs and follow the law and I don’t have a problem with you. However, I see WAY more many small dog owners not adhering to leash laws and other laws than I do Pitbull owners.
vacation wrote : Your chosen, adored, beloved breed has such a serious aggression issue that it’s become the #1 landfill-ready breed in the world;
The reason pit bulls or bullies are killed in such numbers is because of their numbers not because of their imagined aggression issue on your part. They with chihuahuas being second in line are the most represented breed type in shelters. Also, many municipals euthanize without ever giving the pit bull types a chance at adoption. They are also more difficult to adopt out with such idiocy like what vacation1 spews which is totally not based on facts in the real world.
vacation wrote: I’m not the one who made them genetic nightmares that bear only a passing resemblance to a dog.
This is such BS and propaganda by a seriously uninformed hate monger. AVMA testing proves otherwise.
According to the American Veterinary Medicine Association, “controlled studies have not identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous.” The American Temperance Testing Society (ATTS) puts thousands of dogs – purebreds and spayed and neutered mixed-breeds – through their paces each year. The dogs are tested for skittishness, aggression and their ability to differentiate between threatening and non-threatening humans. Among all of the breeds ATTS tested – over 30,000 dogs through May 2011 — 83 percent passed the test. How did pit bulls do? They showed an above average temperament, with 86 percent making the grade. Pit bulls are the second most tolerant breed tested by ATTS, after only golden retreivers.
