khall, don’t go confusing Vacation1 with the facts.
Oh believe me I won’t! Cannot understand how a person can hate an entire BREED of dog so much. Mind boggling! and definitely NOT a dog advocate.
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" This thing of having your dog mauled and killed by a neighbor’s pet is a new thing. Both these new things are linked to the pit bull boom of the past 15-20 years"
It is a new phenomena for neighborhood dogs to kill each other, but it may have more to do with leash laws and women working. Before leash laws, dogs would work out their hierarchy problems in the neighborhood. Each dog knew their place in the neighborhood pack. Fights were very rare. Now leash laws are implemented and dogs can’t work out their place anymore. Now every dog becomes a threat.
When women weren’t working dogs had their own personal pack. They weren’t left alone for so many hours a day. They had attention and company. They are pack animals. So society changes and women go to work and leave the dogs and many times kids to their own devices. And what we get is trouble.
It’s not PC to blame the problems with dogs or kids on women working. Much easier to blame pit bulls and many other breeds on the breed, incompetent owners, and other factors.
Unless most breeds are destroyed and the rest are bred to be caricatures of their former selves, the problems wil still exist.[/QUOTE]
and some of you have an issue w/ vacation1 comments… this is one of the most ridiculous posts I’ve read in a long time… It never ever would occur to me to blame the working woman for the need for leash laws and dog attacks as much as I would argue leash laws are needed because of increased density of population in suburban areas.
the bolded comment, I just get even wrap my head around this one suffice to say that this is probably not the place to argue that perhaps the father abandoning his children might just have a little something to do w/ kids misbehaving. SMH
gottagrey, I do not disagree with you on the post by pezk being out there, but I have not read post after post by pezk being even more radical with subsequent posts like vacation1 has been. The latest one on this thread by vacation shows obviously unbalanced phobic beliefs that are not usually exhibited by mentally stable people. Extremist in beliefs with this last being so far out there as to be unbelievable leaving me to almost consider troll like behavior just wanting to stir the pot so to speak.
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gottagrey, I do not disagree with you on the post by pezk being out there, but I have not read post after post by pezk being even more radical with subsequent posts like vacation1 has been. The latest one on this thread by vacation shows obviously unbalanced phobic beliefs that are not usually exhibited by mentally stable people. Extremist in beliefs with this last being so far out there as to be unbelievable leaving me to almost consider troll like behavior just wanting to stir the pot so to speak.[/QUOTE]
to quote George Takei “Oh my” 
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Just today another pit bull owner was found guilty of reckless homicide and sentenced to prison because their dogs killed a person. You just don’t hear about any other breed of dog killing someone who is just walking past the house. This is an unacceptable threat in a civilized society, a woman is just talking a walk and gets mauled to death and I’m glad people are going to jail for it but all the jail time in the world isn’t going to help the next person just going for a walk.[/QUOTE]
The 2 Presa Canarios in San Francisco that killed a woman walking by, going to her apartment. Both husband and wife are in jail.
Exactly jetsmom and that is why there should be dangerous dog laws NOT BSLs, which have been proven NOT to work.
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The 2 Presa Canarios in San Francisco that killed a woman walking by, going to her apartment. Both husband and wife are in jail.[/QUOTE]
AND, as I said, originally reported to be pit bulls.
In my “hood” pits are passe and the new cool kid on the block is a Cane Corso or other mastiff type dog…
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In my “hood” pits are passe and the new cool kid on the block is a Cane Corso or other mastiff type dog…[/QUOTE]
Not good. Even bigger dogs owned by idiot owners. I have met many very sweet Pitbulls, but since the breed attracts idiot owners, I’ve had enough bad experiences with them as a veterinarian to be very leery. Most of the chihuahuas I meet are ill-mannered, but with a thick blanket thrown over them, I can work on them.
And FWIW, most of the Saint Bernards and Newfoundlands I meet these days are sketchy. Not sure what’s up as though used to be guaranteed nice dogs.
Living in Georgia where dog fighting is a big problem, they are breeding mastiffs and cane corsos with pit bulls to get bigger fighting dogs. One of my fosters was a mastiff and probably pit X, would NEVER make a fighting dog! Extremely soft dog, so much so he now lives with 3 cats.
Shoot there are idiot owners in ALL breeds! or the rampant mix breed here in the south. They don’t want to spay or neuter, they don’t do basic health care (recently there was a child bitten by dog at a state park who was not current on rabies) don’t contain their dogs and are just idiots Xs 10. I see it in the rescue world as well. Why I am hesitant to deal with rescues, don’t like so many of their policies and have had to go to bat for my fosters more than once.
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In my “hood” pits are passe and the new cool kid on the block is a Cane Corso or other mastiff type dog…[/QUOTE]
My first thought was “good, let another breed take the fall now”…but of course, I don’t really think that. And frankly, it will be awhile before Cane Corso isn’t mistaken for a pit bull. I guarantee you that media outlets will not pick up on the “CANE CORSO mauling” for awhile yet.
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It was an appalling attack. And anyone who thinks it’s “just” something that larger, predatory dogs do to smaller, weaker dogs (and call them prey) is kidding themselves. That pit is wired wrong and it could easily turn that hyper-aggression onto a person.
A small dog sitting on its owner’s lap isn’t exhibiting “prey” behaviors and could not create “prey drive” in a normal dog. There have been any number of people straining for an excuse for this attack, but the truth is, the circumstances are not there to explain it away. The pit was with someone who liked it and not being hurt and urged onto the dog, who was smaller and weaker and didn’t even get a chance to escape, let alone fight back.[/QUOTE]
Were you there? Do you know something we don’t? Because the article does not disclose such details like if the Pom was in it’s owner’s lap or anything else.
If it was a tiny Pom (like 4lbs or something) and the Pit was simply playing rough (like maybe he had been doing with another dog), it would be easy to accidentally kill the Pom.
I’ve know bitches to “accidently” kill their own pups.
So, like most things, we really don’t have enough info. If the adopted owner was responsible, she should have the dog back. It doesn’t sound like homeless 16yr olds would be the wisest, most responsible people to own a dog of ANY breed.
