Plaid Horse Article - Class Limits

USEF Horse Search: https://www.usef.org/search/horses

USEF People Search: https://www.usef.org/search/people

Are these the search tools you’re using? It’s just as comprehensive as the FEI database.

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It’s very easy for any USEF member to do that on the USEF website right now. You can look up a horse’s record for its entire career.

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Sorry that the formating doesn’t cover it, but using the dates you showed, plus 1 more week to make sure we didn’t catch just 2/3 weeks you are saying everyone does, I only found 2 horses that where shown 3/4 weeks looked at in the 3’3" 36+ A/O hunters (same division you used, i used the handy class for simplicity & easier for me to track when looking at the results).

1 of those horses showed 3 weeks in a row, the other showed the first 2 weeks & then 3rd week off, showing again the 4th week.

Formatting is a struggle, but horse followed by a 1 if shown that week (4 times) with the final number being the number of times that horse was shown in the 3’3" 36+ A/O Hunters Handy over the 4 weeks I pulled the data for.

46 horses listed here.

                    	 2/8/2025	2/13/2025 2/22/2025 2/28/2025	

1749 - FOREVER ROMANCE 1 0 0 1 2
4287 - PRIMETIME 1 1 0 0 2
5554 - TRAVIS 1 0 0 0 1
344 - FLAWLESS 1 1 0 0 2
7475 - PERSUASIVE 1 0 0 1 2
4013 - GUCCI 1 0 0 0 1
6898 - ANDANTE 1 0 0 1 2
5792 - BELLA VIDA 1 0 0 0 1
3402 - REDDINGTON 1 0 1 0 2
6722 - CUCINELLI 1 1 0 0 2
3858 - LAXTON 1 0 0 1 2
5851 - BLUEWATER 1 1 0 1 3
2958 - GOLDEN HOUR 1 1 0 0 2
3031 - ADELINA 1 1 1 0 3
4895 - STORM CAT 1 0 0 0 1
7058 - STAND BY ME 1 0 1 0 2
4096 - CHARMEUR DES ROSIERS 1 0 1 0 2
1384 - MOTUEKA 1 1 0 0 2
4308 - DE CAPO 1 0 1 0 2
7049 - WORTH THE WAIT 1 0 1 0 2
3860 - CASCADELLO DELUXE 1 0 0 1 2
345 - FROSTED 1 1 0 0 2
1386 - CANTERBURY 1 1 0 0 2
2986 - PIONEER 1 0 0 0 1
2583 - NEW ADDITION 0 1 0 0 1
612 - CASSIUS 0 1 0 0 1
2015 - HECKFIELD 0 1 0 0 1
5862 - CASSICO 0 1 0 0 1
1837 - QUEST 0 1 0 1 2
4684 - LOST MY MARBLES 0 1 0 0 1
1505 - CARSANDRO 0 1 0 0 1
2965 - PRIVATE I 0 1 0 0 1
7915 - FLEETWOOD 0 1 0 0 1
1237 - KORNETS TOUCH 0 1 0 1 2
7090 - ALLEGRETTO 0 1 0 0 1
2959 - PRIME TIME 0 1 0 1 2
4366 - LOEWIE 0 1 0 0 1
4237 - MONARCH 0 1 0 0 1
4350 - DICAPRIO 3 0 0 1 0 1
2947 - NOTORIOUS 0 0 1 0 1
2014 - SEBASTIAN 0 0 1 0 1
4876 - KODIAK 0 0 1 1 2
6127 - GOODNIGHT MOON 0 0 1 0 1
8012 - KISMET 0 0 1 1 2
7683 - GOOD VIBES 0 0 1 1 2
340 - LYRICAL 0 0 1 0 1

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Edit to add - I am clearly slow. Others already posted.

I am going to start by saying that if you picked these weeks randomly, it just seems weird.

But for the fun of it (while I waste time waiting for a meeting to start) here we go.

It took me a bit to find the actual class that was in the screen shots above, I finally got smart and searched for the person who won the classes.

Wellington, show on 02/08/2025 (week 5), Class #2631 - $630 Amateur Owner Hunter 3’-3" 36 & over, here is the whole class:

Wellington, show on 02/15/2025 (week 6), Class #2616 - $840 Amateur Owner Hunter 3’-3" 36 & over, here is the whole class:

Wellington, show on 02/22/2025 (week 7), Class 2631 - $630 Amateur Owner Hunter 3’-3" 36 & over, here is the whole class:
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In those three classes, over three week, there was a total of 47 different horses shown.
There was ONE horse that showed all three weeks.
There were nine horses shown two weeks in a row (weeks 5 & 6)
There were no horses that showed the consecutive weeks of week 6 & 7 (other than the one horse that showed all three weeks)

Just for fun, I looked up the week after this and the one horse that showed these three weeks did not show.

I will show that this adventure does show a great example of the whole scratch thing that some people insisted did not happen. This is February 08, 2025 Amateur Owner Hunter 3’-3" 18-35 U/S class, of the 18 riders originally in the class only 10 showed.

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I just have to point out how horrifying it is to see people that I remember as pony riders are now in the older amateurs. Lol.

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I think that you have to enter the whole division for those classes, or at least that’s the case out here. So it’s not uncommon for people to scratch the hack (U/S) either bc they never intended to do it, or they were only going to do it if they were doing well over fences, or they decided they’d had enough at that point. In any event, a few less horses in the hack isn’t going to impact the schedule much, if at all.

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Oh, I totally get it.
I owned a horse that would never win the hack, ever.
I scratched lots of hack classes.
I most certainly am not trying to say that a hack with lots of scratches is changing any schedules. Just all the red lines made me giggle.

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If I were king of the world you would be running USHJA. What a brilliant solution.

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I’ve owned several that I was told to avoid trotting at all costs anywhere in the ring during an over fences round. Guess that won’t work now in the rated divisions where you have to trot a circle.

There is a woman who shows in my division (meter adult jumpers) with several horses that I think might scratch more than she actually shows.

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Yes, those were the instructions I had too.

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IIRC, dressage rules are 1 test per day at FEI levels (whether an FEI competition or not), 2 at 2nd through 4th levels, and 3 at intro through 1st.

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Why avoid trotting?

Because the horse likely has some low level of unsoundness that they don’t want to call the judges attention to. Alternatively the horse is a poor mover and they may impact the overall score.

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In my case spectacularly bad movers at the trot. The same reason that they didn’t show in the hack, which is how this came up.

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Because it’s a bad mover. I knew the poster should have clarified that before the accusations flew :sweat_smile:

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It happens for both reasons.

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True. Especially if they don’t trot in an eq o/f round. But the question was directed at me so I answered why I didn’t trot my particular horses. If I did have to hack I tried to hide them in the crowd at the trot. Probably useless.

I once got a horse to show that was a beautiful mover and had to adjust my approach a bit.

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I know, you since edited your post to add the bad mover part. Hopefully realizing that one of our longtime posters wasn’t gleefully describing how they circumvented the rules to show a lame horse. Or because we pointed it out :woman_shrugging:t2:

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It wasn’t directed at any single poster since more than one person admitted to choosing not to trot during an over fences round. And I’m not accusing anyone specifically. It’s sadly a not uncommon reason why riders are directed not to show the trot.

My edit had nothing to do with any other post, I just realized I should offer the other alternative. But the fact is that in a thread about overuse and drugging, certainly the more negative scenario came to mind first. If trainers have no problem giving cocktails and require a certain number of shows per circuit, there’s definitely some soundness issues being masked.

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I think it was 2 years ago? That a bunch of people here were watching the Big Eq finals, and noted how many of the horses were visibly lame at the trot. Ugh.

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