[QUOTE=Wirt;7864755]
It is also not just about the gait. It is about what is accepted as what the appropriate frame and tempo and action should be in order to judge it.[/QUOTE]
It IS all about the gait. Correctness is the number one criteria for placement.
[QUOTE=enjoytheride;7859153]
Sure, but someone was talking about recent examples of western pleasure classes and what wins and that’s a fairly major show so it has some good examples of the standard western pleasure horse.[/QUOTE]
When horses are judged against horses, versus scored, you can have an entire class of ‘poor horses’, and thus a novice youth is NOT a good example of what wins, when compared to showing against horses ridden by professionals and under the rule standards
You have to actually ride a western horse, knowing when to add some leg,ect to keep lift , etc, and that novice youth for the most part, is ‘passenger’ There is a reason professionals are paid to ride a horse in upper venue, regardless of discipline or training on that horse
Would you watch a class of 'Buckaroo reiners , where simple changes are allowed, and declare them examples of a reining horse???
I am still puzzled why so many that don’t have a clue about western pl, have that discipline not affect anything that they are doing, who feel the need to post endless rants against western pleasure
I mean, I don’t go to the English board, post a pic of a horse on tight rein contact, neck bent so much i wonder as to who that horse breathes, and start a post:
: I don’t ride English,(only HUS, which apparently also is flawed ), but can someone explain why my niece, who rides English in Ontario, asks to use a pair of gloves in mid Aug, to ride one of my horses, or the reins cut her hands???
I don’t go to a gaited board and ask how in the heck those horses have normal hoof mechanism, with that built up shoing
Reading up on the Spanish Walk, that hardly is 'normal bio mechanics
But carry on, and use that ridiculous phrase, ‘peanut roller’, that someone coined way back when, to make you sound like you 'walk the talk" , having no clue that western pleasure has improved, peanut rollers under tough competition and under good judges are not rewarded, and heck, a horse sure as hell would have problem rolling a peanut here, esp when it is 30 below C and the closest peanut, outside of the ones imported, is a couple of thousand miles away
[QUOTE=KIloBright;7885085]
When horses are judged against horses, versus scored, you can can an entire class of ‘poor horses’, and thus a novice youth is NOT a good example of what wins, when showing against horses ridden by professionals and under the rule standards[/QUOTE]
Exactly. It’s a big part of what the others seem to miss.
[QUOTE=KIloBright;7885085]
When horses are judged against horses, versus scored, you can have an entire class of ‘poor horses’, and thus a novice youth is NOT a good example of what wins, when compared to showing against horses ridden by professionals and under the rule standards
You have to actually ride a western horse, knowing when to add some leg,ect to keep lift , etc, and that novice youth for the most part, is ‘passenger’ There is a reason professionals are paid to ride a horse in upper venue, regardless of discipline or training on that horse
Would you watch a class of 'Buckaroo reiners , where simple changes are allowed, and declare them examples of a reining horse???
I am still puzzled why so many that don’t have a clue about western pl, have that discipline not affect anything that they are doing, who feel the need to post endless rants against western pleasure
I mean, I don’t go to the English board, post a pic of a horse on tight rein contact, neck bent so much i wonder as to who that horse breathes, and start a post:
: I don’t ride English,(only HUS, which apparently also is flawed ), but can someone explain why my niece, who rides English in Ontario, asks to use a pair of gloves in mid Aug, to ride one of my horses, or the reins cut her hands???
I don’t go to a gaited board and ask how in the heck those horses have normal hoof mechanism, with that built up shoing
Reading up on the Spanish Walk, that hardly is 'normal bio mechanics
But carry on, and use that ridiculous phrase, ‘peanut roller’, that someone coined way back when, to make you sound like you 'walk the talk" , having no clue that western pleasure has improved, peanut rollers under tough competition and under good judges are not rewarded, and heck, a horse sure as hell would have problem rolling a peanut here, esp when it is 30 below C and the closest peanut, outside of the ones imported, is a couple of thousand miles away[/QUOTE]
I call that, they don’t know what they don’t know.
Everyone has opinions, very few have educated opinions, even less those talking about what they don’t know about, but have strong opinions anyway.
Some eventually realize that, some will never get there.
Just…let…the…thread…die…
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