**Pony Finals 2014**

I only saw the last jumper class on Saturday night, so I can’t speak to what went on in the earlier classes. In the individual final that I saw with 19 entries, I think maybe only one child fell off, and maybe two others were eliminated for refusals. The rest got around the course with varying degrees of success. I think that’s not a bad rate of completion when you factor in nerves and fatigue at a big event. Of course it would be great for everyone to stay on and get around, but that doesn’t always happen in competition.

Some of those kids looked like very solid little riders with good basics who would be able to move up when the time comes.

I do hope all the ponies got lots of carrots. They seemed to be excellent sports. :slight_smile:

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Does anyone know where I can watch a playback of the pony jumpers? USEF network only has the top three rounds.[/QUOTE]

All the videos of every round are available on www.shownet.biz it’s an annual membership of $50 and you can either buy the entire show forever for $140 (which is great if you are buying/selling) or buy a one or a few rounds at much lower price points

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Having a bit of a pony jumper discussion on my FB that’s proved interesting. I watched the first 33 rounds of Rd. 1 Friday… when I left 50% of that class had been eliminated (hence my despairing comment on FB & ensuing discussion). Several (actually lots) of kids hit the dirt, and a whole heck of a lot more pushed themselves back into the tack off the pony’s neck or the standard into which they were getting ready to faceplant. There was a TON of whip being used to make up for either a lack of scope & confidence or a rider’s sloppy approach.

I don’t know if it was the course design, or (as a pro with kids in it pointed out) the horrible warm up area for the Alltech ring, or the fact that these kids rarely get a chance to jump these specs all year, but we are seriously doing it wrong.

Actually, I think this is part of the problem. I saw very few ponies that were truly suited to be out there, there were a lot of round pegs being fit into square holes. There were few truly keen jumpers - which a pony that’s supposed to fix mistakes at 1.10m must be. Just because a pony can’t cut it in the hunters does not mean it can be whipped into being a 1.10m jumper ~ and therein lies the Euro/USA difference. Their kids can go pedal to the metal like this because they’re on real jumper ponies, and we’re trying to do the same thing on hunter rejects. Even at the measly 1.10m height that just doesn’t work.

By the way, I did see some great ponies and some great riders… unfortunately a lot of the time they weren’t on the same team :slight_smile: But others were really doing it right. The Peralta (Ritter) kid (sorry, blanking name) rode beautifully and smartly. And the Pony Club kids were fabulous and they eventually won, which I called early on, when they were the only round out of the first 4 or 5 to not get eliminated.

Another point of discussion… I think we’re seeing these kids come into the pony jumper ring with hunter trainers, which makes sense because who but hunter trainers would go to pony finals? But I think a lot may boil down to this. Said pro mentioned above was last out of ring in the course walk with his kids, at least 5 more minutes in there than (almost) anyone else. He’s an international GP rider not from the States, and it was his very first pony finals (bless him). He was clearly picking that course apart for his kids, he clearly saw all the traps coming. Have a feeling the rest didn’t give it much more thought than an eq course against the clock, and it showed.

By the time those kids move up to the jr. jumpers and so forth, they’ve usually adjusted to a trainer that specializes in jumpers, but that skill set typically isn’t offered in a pony hunter program.[/QUOTE]
A big problem is the industry as a whole. Trainers put the emphasis on the hunter ponies because they for the most part are not comfortable with the jumper arena.Pretty much anyone can qualify for pony hunter finals,which is a great concept from a monetary stand point. And as you mentioned the results were not pretty for those kids trained by "not current"Pony Jumper trainers.People are forgetting that JUMPERS are an Olympic discipline ! This pony jumper competition is the first chance for our young riders to compete with a team format at a national level. It’s a big deal and should be treated as such. Sad to say a rather large percentage of the “trainers” taking the jumper kids money do not even know the rules. And I speak of basic rules. In one class I witnessed the following…1.Improper attire.This was a National Championship people! You do not send a child into the ring with an unbuttoned shirt, no jacket ,and a number tied around her waist. (Sadly the child had a clean round but was eliminated rightfully so) The trainer was astonished ):
2. Mounting inside the ring…that’s cool,had permission but then allowing the horse with the rider to back out of the out gate…Elimination…(All that needed to be done was make sure the out gate was closed before child mounted)3. Starting before the start tone…BASIC…4. Having a refusal at element B as in a and b and jumping only B…Elimination…5. This sadly says so much…I witness a post on face book (the devil) from a trainer commending her student for having the “fastest” time of the day. The time allowed was 78 and Susie Q did it in 54…yes she had a few rails but man she was fast! The USEF made a radical change this year to both the qualifying criteria and the format for the National Finals.The jumps were bigger this year and the need for speed was eliminated. This was clearly outlined in the meeting before the Finals started but some people just don’t get it.
Parents need to step up,look around and say…umm why does it look so easy for some and so hard for others? Or why did my child wind up on the ground or eliminated? Why am I paying for bad information?
Hopefully some lessons were learned. Hopefully people will start to take this Final seriously,train for it and arrive prepared to represent their Zones with pride and knowledge of the rules. Hopefully trainers will seek out help and advice of people willing to share, to come up with a UNITED TEAM. TEAM SPORT! Every Chef should be planning right now for next years team and continuing to raise the bar.
And finally…shows that do not offer the pony jumper qualifying classes should be ashamed not to support this springboard to International TEAM competition. WEF…The best jumper trainers in the world compete there and they don’t offer the classes. This adds to the problem. People need to speak up and ask for change. Diane Langer and Robert Ridland want to start looking for talent earlier on,here is the place. That’s all for now.:slight_smile:

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Do you know how they choose which videos to post on the free channel? I would love to find some professional ones of DD at last year’s pony finals. There didn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason to the rounds that were up.[/QUOTE]

I assume that you are referring to the you tube Shownet rounds on their channel? If so when you buy the rounds you can post them to twitter or you tube or facebook. You can also just download them to your pc (and no, I don’t work for them :slight_smile: )

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Is there any way to find out more results than top ten for the medal? My daughter had a great firsf round and dropped off the standby list after the larges, amd was just wondering where she ended up.[/QUOTE]

if you pm me her name I can let you know where she finished. I think that after the top 10 the order is random on shownet but each video tells where they ended up.

Thank you so much!! Pm sent, but also don’t mind saying here- Anna Tootle from Alpharetta GA. :slight_smile: She rode awesome and I am so proud of her. It doesn’t matter where she ended up, she was just wwondering.

She was great - super cute round. I think she may have just missed the counter lead.

84th out of 159

Thank you!

21 of the 46 in Friday’s Rd 1 Team Final were eliminated (a lot say off course on shownet but there were not that many “off course”… I think that may be how they listed falls)

The ones that got through are probably the ones seen Saturday night and yes, there were definitely some solid teams in that group.

But what happened Friday was embarrassing and honestly hard to sit through. It was little more than children whipping bug-eyed ponies around.

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Parents need to step up,look around and say…umm why does it look so easy for some and so hard for others? Or why did my child wind up on the ground or eliminated? Why am I paying for bad information?
Hopefully some lessons were learned. Hopefully people will start to take this Final seriously,train for it and arrive prepared to represent their Zones with pride and knowledge of the rules. Hopefully trainers will seek out help and advice of people willing to share, to come up with a UNITED TEAM. TEAM SPORT! Every Chef should be planning right now for next years team and continuing to raise the bar.
And finally…shows that do not offer the pony jumper qualifying classes should be ashamed not to support this springboard to International TEAM competition. WEF…The best jumper trainers in the world compete there and they don’t offer the classes. This adds to the problem. People need to speak up and ask for change. Diane Langer and Robert Ridland want to start looking for talent earlier on,here is the place. That’s all for now.:)[/QUOTE]

Totally agree and hope we can fix this. The financial barriers of entry are sooo much lower in the pony jumpers. It could be an excellent source of young talent.

The ones listed as Off Course were the falls. We were wondering the same thing and asked our friends who were there competing.

In Zone 2 the pony jumper kids do tend to ride with jumper trainers, not hunter trainers. I do know that there are trainers who do encourage running at the jumps. However, I would say the majority that I know do not teach that way. In fact the most successful ponies tend to be the “slow” ponies because they are the ones getting the careful ride, making the turns, and leaving the rails up. Is it frustrating to get beaten by the kid who races around the course scaring everyone? You bet! But at the end of the day the kids who work hard and are really learning to ride an educated jumper course are the ones who are consistent and win more than the hellions.

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if you pm me her name I can let you know where she finished. I think that after the top 10 the order is random on shownet but each video tells where they ended up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=sarcam02;7708806]She was great - super cute round. I think she may have just missed the counter lead.

84th out of 159[/QUOTE]
Not to pour cold water on anything, but how exactly would Shownet have the final order of the judges’ preference for the equitation class? Unless there are numerical scores given, how would anyone but the judges have that information?

[/QUOTE]1.Improper attire.This was a National Championship people! You do not send a child into the ring with an unbuttoned shirt, no jacket ,and a number tied around her waist.[QUOTE]
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In reference to the number worn on the back of the jacket hunter style - are you sure that there is a rule saying jumpers can’t do this? The girl who won the Devon Pony Jumper Style Award (Grace Allen) always wears her number on her back. She is always outfitted very conservatively and salutes the judge with a helmet tip before starting her round and always rides in a very classical manner. Very classy.

Or did I misunderstand your comment about the number?

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Not to pour cold water on anything, but how exactly would Shownet have the final order of the judges’ preference for the equitation class? Unless there are numerical scores given, how would anyone but the judges have that information?[/QUOTE]

Each video has the ranking/order on it labled in the title. For example this is the winning round https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz6CFPnxic0&list=UUfURNlkKSWURd3Vyw2Eifnw

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Each video has the ranking/order on it labled in the title. For example this is the winning round https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz6CFPnxic0&list=UUfURNlkKSWURd3Vyw2Eifnw[/QUOTE]

That was lovely - Congrats!!!

Following up on skyy’s comment…

Yes, if that is against the rule in jumpers I also didn’t know it. And I have seen riders at A shows with their number on their back.

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You do not send a child into the ring with an unbuttoned shirt, no jacket ,and a number tied around her waist. [/QUOTE]

You definitely can choose to wear a number tied on your back if you choose. In fact, I believe Todd Minikus always wears his tied on his back and never pinned to a saddle pad.

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That was lovely - Congrats!!![/QUOTE]

Thank you - not my kid but Taylor is a a super hard working and appreciative kid. You can congratulate me on almost 600 posts (largely due to this thread). :slight_smile:

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Each video has the ranking/order on it labled in the title. For example this is the winning round https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz6CFPnxic0&list=UUfURNlkKSWURd3Vyw2Eifnw[/QUOTE]

No wonder I couldn’t find it… it has her hometown listed as the pony name! Great ride for Taylor.

Of course you can compete with a number tied around your body! The point was when formal attire is stated in the prize list you do not open your choker or “snap shirt” as we see these days…and remove your jacket! i was just trying to present a visual as the “look” was not one of someone trying to represent their zone well. Any trainer that attends an A show knows that most judges will not tolerate a choker shirt un buttoned. No jacket is of course grounds for dismissal…How about look around and notice that everyone else is fully dressed! And just to prove a point…she was dressed for the first round! Guess trainer thought that the “individual round” was ok to get comfy! OMG

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You definitely can choose to wear a number tied on your back if you choose. In fact, I believe Todd Minikus always wears his tied on his back and never pinned to a saddle pad.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for that info! Really? This is exactly what I speak of…the number wasn’t the problem…duh…