Price Inquiry?

[4fAlter]

I had a friend inquire about a horse from someone today, and I got a number I wasn’t expecting.

The mare in question is 7. Arab X American WB. She has pretty good flat work and is consistently jumping 3’3 - 3’6, but he says he has schooled her 4ft+. The jumps in the video don’t look 4’. She is brave and a cute jumper, and I am told she would be AM friendly. She has showed once or twice, and I think she won the low adults at a schooling show. He markets her as hunter/jumper/eq prospect, but she was taken XC schooling and went around there well. I think she is more eventer/jumper. I have not tired this mare yet, but I am slowly starting to look for a fox hunt/jumper prospect, but I am not against possibly doing some adult eqs. She is on the west coast.

How much would you pay?

[BostonHJ]

How big is she? And what does “American Warmblood” mean in this case? I’ve heard it used to describe all sorts of unusual crosses. Does she have a lead change?

Based on what we know, maybe $10k.

[luvdogz72]

make an offer

[4fAlter]

[QUOTE=luvdogz72;8073889]
make an offer[/QUOTE]

I guess I should say, the price was MUCH more than I was expecting. I have not bought a horse in a long time. Just wonder if I am being naive.

[BostonHJ]

It’s a broad generalization, but I feel like people who exaggerate the height of the jumps also greatly over-estimate a horse’s value. Off breed without a rated show record does not bring big bucks.

[BAC]

Agree with Boston HJ, especially with that breeding I wouldn’t expect it to have a big price tag.

[rizzodm]

I would think anywhere from 2500-5000. Hunter crowd typically wouldn’t even look at an Arab cross so I wouldn’t expect a big price.

[JustJump]

Really, there is not enough information to hazard a guess. Without a video, or at the very least, a photo, there is no way of knowing whether the horse is put together beautifully, or from random parts, or how they operate.

And without knowing that? No one could guess.

[4fAlter]

[QUOTE=JustJump;8073960]
Really, there is not enough information to hazard a guess. Without a video, or at the very least, a photo, there is no way of knowing whether the horse is put together beautifully, or from random parts, or how they operate.

And without knowing that? No one could guess.[/QUOTE]

I can post videos and pictures, I just have a couple reservations.

1. I don’t want the owner of this horse to think I am talking “trash” or anything, because I don’t want to ruin a possible relationship. Not that a seller or I need to be friends, but I also don’t want my friend (who is his friend) to somehow get reprimanded for sharing the ad with me. I’m trying to accurately describe her to the best of my ability, without violating any TOS or possibly causing real life problems, and without making it extremely obvious who the horse is… The horse world is very small.

For those asking, she is about 16.0 (as described in her ad)… Again, I have not even sat on this horse yet. She has apparently been schooled up to 3rd level, but I can only find 1st level tests under her name. She is a cute grey, not overly flashy.

[french_fry]

If she has visible Arab in her she’s probably not going to be a hunter.

Unless she jumps like a freak (i.e. scope for much more than 3’6) or could go in and consistently win the low adult jumpers tomorrow I wouldn’t pay more than 5-7k tops.

[Jumper_Bump]

I had a Hano/Arab cross that I purchased back in 2004 as a 5 year old for $16,500.00 he had no show record, but was bought based on potential. He was 16.2 built more like a Hanoverian then an arab with the exception of that he had a bit of a dish face, and flagged his tail semi regularly. I ended up competing him quite successfully up to 1.20m until he got hurt in 2007. At the time we were trying to sell him and with his show record we figured getting $35,000 for him (he was a fairly solid eq horse) wouldn’t be a stretch. However, we did face a lot of controversy over the half arab part even from local people who had seen him compete. People just don’t want them in the H/J would.

Now the economy has crashed so I don’t think those numbers would be anywhere near what they would be now, if I was looking at him now, I would most likely purchase him for $8-10,000 and sell for 25-30,000. (In a perfect world).

*Dollar figures are in CDN

[Backstage]

From my perspective, this is a tough one to judge without video. While the breeding may be less conventional, I think ultimately her type, attitude and rideability factor in to the price in a serious way. If she is genuinely that well schooled on the flat (to 3rd level), jumps well and is rideable/adjustable over fences for the average amateur…I could definitely see someone paying $10-20k for her. If she gets quick, goes inverted (common with arabs), is pretty limited in scope or isn’t really very broke/amateur friendly, that changes the discussion entirely.

[fordtraktor]

Impossible to say without seeing the horse. Often those part-Arab types are a lot more common in the A show would than people think. A LOT more ponies are part Arab than anyone lets on. The old Arab-Welsh-TB cross used to be extremely common. Then you could cross that with a WB, produce something really nice looking and easily get very good money for it. And no one would blink at it being a dreaded Arab. Don’t ask, don’t tell.

In other words, I really think you have to judge the horse and not what it is alleged breeding might be. I don’t think we can hear “Arab” and immediately say no one is going to pay more than $5k for it because that’s just not true, you could miss out on a really nice horse that way. What I think you should do is a bunch of comparison shopping BEFORE you buy, don’t just write out a check for this horse without spending some time getting a feel for the market, even if you like it.

[Belmont]

I’m almost positive I know the horse in question, and my answer to you is they are asking way to much. I would say $10k max.

[4fAlter]

Well, I gave enough info to get more than a few messages about finding this horses ad. So, here are a few pictures of her. All video was private.

Jumping 1
Jumping 2
Jumping 3
Jumping 4
Jumping 5
Cantering

As well as one of her ads: http://www.dreamhorse.com/ad/1957751.html

I think she is cute, and I was told less than the dreamhorse ad. I just don’t know I could ever justify paying what they are asking. I guess it wouldn’t hurt to try her or get in contact with the guy.

[cvkings82]

Yeah its very difficult without a video of the horse. She looks cute though! BUT for 50k, I would expect some very good show results (not just shown once or twice at a schooling show)

[french_fry]

She’s cute, but they are dreaming for that price.

[french_fry]

[QUOTE=fordtraktor;8074167]
In other words, I really think you have to judge the horse and not what it is alleged breeding might be. I don’t think we can hear “Arab” and immediately say no one is going to pay more than $5k for it because that’s just not true, you could miss out on a really nice horse that way. What I think you should do is a bunch of comparison shopping BEFORE you buy, don’t just write out a check for this horse without spending some time getting a feel for the market, even if you like it.[/QUOTE]

I don’t know if this is partially in response to my post, but I specifically mentioned that if she had RECOGNIZABLE Arab in her it would drop her price.

This mare is borderline - I’d have to see a video to decide for sure. I do agree that there are a lot more Arab crosses out there than we think.

Either way, IMO a grade mare that has only shown locally occasionally is just not worth 50k unless she has demonstrated a ton of scope free jumping or schooling.

[foursocks]

That has to be a typo. It is either a mistake in the ad or the seller is delusional. I vote mistake.

[Jumper_girl221]

My personal thought is that the price on the dreamhorse ad is on the high end. However, with that said a quick google of her name brought up her AW inspection results:

Sids Syrah Sera, 7.2 2007 mare
Presidente Polk ox/Sancerre
Owner/Breeder: Linda Lauper-Polk

According to that it looks like her sire is an Oldenburg, so at least not a draft x AW.