It is really sad to hear someone say they would only pay $2500-$5000 for a horse that can jump 3’3" to 3’6". Sometimes I wonder if people are saying this in the hopes of convincing sellers to drop prices enough to accommodate their being cheap.
I don’t think this is a $50k horse at all, certainly not without a rated show record. However, if the horse can jump 3’3"-3’6" consistently and with decent form, I would say it’s definitely worth more than $2-5k.
Less the last zero. Looks like she’ll make someone a nice lower level jumper/event horse, for 5K.
[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8074253]
It is really sad to hear someone say they would only pay $2500-$5000 for a horse that can jump 3’3" to 3’6". Sometimes I wonder if people are saying this in the hopes of convincing sellers to drop prices enough to accommodate their being cheap.
I don’t think this is a $50k horse at all, certainly not without a rated show record. However, if the horse can jump 3’3"-3’6" consistently and with decent form, I would say it’s definitely worth more than $2-5k.[/QUOTE]
“Jumping 3’6” can mean SO many things, though. Very often it means “one 3’3 single in a 2’9 course” or “at the end of a gymnastic” or, my favorite, “in retrospect we don’t know how we got him over that jump but he did it!”
However, after having seen photos of this mare I’d revise my initial assessment of 5-7k and put her at at least 15k, possibly up to the high 20s based on region and what the video is like.
A few things…
You can find something similar for much less than that horse’s asking price. I’ve seen thoroughbreds with comparable experience go for half that.
I would not worry this much about the asking price of a horse you haven’t sat on and aren’t even sure you like.
I also wouldn’t go sit on her without being upfront about your budget. You can contact the owner/trainer and say I’m looking to spend less than XX/around XX and I’m interested in your horse and would like to sit on her but I don’t want to waste your time.
Super cute, but a 16.0 mare with ‘interesting’ breeding and no show record above schooling shows does not demand even half what they’re asking…
Yeah just saying I imported a horse with very good bloodlines for LESS than 50k from Europe with a very good and extensive show record up to 1.20m… he is only 5 but there is no way I would pay 50k for a horse with essentially no show record. I just could not justify that. Again it is hard without a video but from just the text you wrote, I as expecting $7500-10k MAX. I agree with Snicklefritz, if the horse is jumping 3’6 consistently with good form, it is definitely worth more than $2-5k, for SURE.
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Less the last zero. Looks like she’ll make someone a nice lower level jumper/event horse, for 5K.[/QUOTE]
If the horse is doing 3’3" to 3’6" consistently, which the OP mentioned, and if “consistently”, means they do full courses regularly, then it is worth a lot more than $5k.
you can buy horses from CANTER for around $3k or so and they are usually restarted and back under saddle for a few months before being marketed.
I think $5k is completely unrealistic of the horse can do full courses at the stated height. If it can’t and it is simply a few high jumps for the video, that’s another matter, but otherwise I think some of these lowball estimates are crazy.
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Super cute, but a 16.0 mare with ‘interesting’ breeding and no show record above schooling shows does not demand even half what they’re asking…[/QUOTE]
And I doubt she is 16 hh. I think it’s exaggerated a bit. That’s just a magic number people like to throw on ads.
And as a personal thought, I never take ads seriously if they don’t bother to pay for a picture/video ad. I’m not saying that the horse is automatically a bad horse, or a bad “buy”, but if I’m shelling out that kind of money for a horse, I don’t want the seller to be overly cheap, either. Just tells me something about them and makes me wonder.
Pictures only tell part of the story but if she’s that cute, ammy friendy, and jumps around 3’6— $50,000 is high but not widly off the mark. An a/o horse, even a plain unshown one is not going to be $5,000 in California.
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And I doubt she is 16 hh. I think it’s exaggerated a bit. That’s just a magic number people like to throw on ads.
And as a personal thought, I never take ads seriously if they don’t bother to pay for a picture/video ad. I’m not saying that the horse is automatically a bad horse, or a bad “buy”, but if I’m shelling out that kind of money for a horse, I don’t want the seller to be overly cheap, either. Just tells me something about them and makes me wonder.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I was also suspicious of the 16hh comment, typically that means 15.2 IME.
Also agree on the picture thing (also that the ad is on Dreamhorse and not BigEq/Exchange HJ with that pricetag), if you’re asking 5 figures, you should at least have a pic, if not a video.
I don’t mind no pic for a $1500 horse, the margins are slim, I get that.
I’ve seen overpriced horses set that way for a number of reasons. IMO this happens for several reasons including:
The " I don’t want to sell this horse price": I saw a well known rider with a horse priced at $50k who had only competed in recognized shows to a level that would normally fetch $30k. The horse didn’t sell quickly, but stayed at the same price, continued competing and doing well. As such with more time it got closer in value to the listed price.
I think some people do this thinking, well if someone comes along who loves the horse, there is a chance they might pay full price or close to it. If that trainer had that particular horse priced at it’s true value of $30k, they would be more open to people trying to negotiate down from there. Price it at $50k and you attract a more serious set of buyers and fewer people who are going to do major low-balling.
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Pictures only tell part of the story but if she’s that cute, ammy friendy, and jumps around 3’6— $50,000 is high but not widly off the mark. [/QUOTE]
I don’t know about this - a friend recently bought the horse you describe, only a smidge bigger, an imported warmblood, and with A show miles from a big name east coast barn for only about $10k more than this mare’s asking. And it wasn’t a fire sale situation - there were plenty of options.
But I know, I know. Pricing is largely subjective.
Here is something to compare that is in the area and priced around the same.
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Here is something to compare that is in the area and priced around the same.
That is a horse who I do think is worth the asking price. Might even be considered a good deal depending on temperament and soundness.
Yah but this doesn’t look like an AO Jumper, more like a low Ch/Ad. Looks like it might be a mite quick for the Hunters. None of the makeshift fences it’s pictured over have much substance and are not the width of even Ch/Ad fences. And if it’s 16h its riders are well over 6 feet.
Not seeing 50k with nothing except a local show low schooling record and a few 1st level results Has this one been for sale for long? I swear somebody else was asking about this one or it’s twin sister, maybe a year or two ago. Looks and sounds really familiar and the other was in the same area.
You know, the ad says she’s registered but they don’t give the # and IIRC the AWB people are not overly selective about what gets to call itself an AWB.
If it’s a good match and vets, I could see maybe 20k, assuming it can handle real show jumps and combinations.
Add me to the list liking that grey mare linked to offered at 40k. It’s younger and jumping in shows over 1m, they give sires pedigree and just saying NZ Sporthorse for the dam is quite respectable.
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I don’t know about this - a friend recently bought the horse you describe, only a smidge bigger, an imported warmblood, and with A show miles from a big name east coast barn for only about $10k more than this mare’s asking. And it wasn’t a fire sale situation - there were plenty of options.
But I know, I know. Pricing is largely subjective.[/QUOTE]
California = $$$ IMHO. Everything seems a bit pricer there.
Even if its smaller (small junior) a horse that an ammy can ride around 3’6 is valuable even if its not the WEF winner. The ugliest ox looking one who was sound and can do the job would be 5 figures here… And this one isn’t ugly or on the East coast. I agree $50k is a bit high but not crazy off the mark. $40k sounds more right to me, $30k to $35k on the East coast.
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Not seeing 50k with nothing except a local show low schooling record and a few 1st level results Has this one been for sale for long? I swear somebody else was asking about this one or it’s twin sister, maybe a year or two ago. Looks and sounds really familiar and the other was in the same area.[/QUOTE]
I KNOW THIS HORSE!
And yes! That was me like a year or two ago, I really don’t remember how long ago TBH. I had the owner ask me to tell my connections about her when she first started over fences, and I came on here because I thought her price was pretty large then and wanted second opinions…
The horse does jump better now and has been through more schooling and a few shows, but I personally don’t think she is worth $50k. :eek: Of course, I get all my horses as rejects so I am biased. The seller is a good guy. He is used to AQHA world, where some of his nice WP horses go for crazy amounts as 3yros. He isn’t quite as used to the HJ world yet IMHO.
So OP, if you are really interested, I would take a jab at talking to him. What is the worst that could happen? She does seem like an awesome horse from all the videos and picture. He has been heavily advertising her more, so he might be getting more eager to let her go.
I thought this horse sounded familiar…
Word. I was thinking about the difference between what I’d pay and what I’d expect someone to ask. They are quite different. :lol:
Also - PMed you, OP.
I see $15k-$30k depending on how the horse rides, and what it looks like in motion.
Hahahahahahahahaha
No Way Jose.
She is looking very quick in her jumping pictures (anytime the background is a blur, you know she is going faster than the speed limit.) And the seller even admits that her temperament is a 5. I have never seen another horse with a temperament number that high. Usually it is a 1 or a 3.
MAYBE she would make a modified Ammie jumper (up to 3’3") but no way on God’s green earth is she worth $50k.
I would think her price would max out at $20 - $25k.
If you are really in the market for a horse that fits that description, go to FB and find an equestrian group in your area. Back here each local area has an equestriam group which advertises tack and horses for sale. The prices on one of those sites should be realistic.
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