Priced out of the sport?

I agree. It’s like regional costs of general horse keeping with an additional cross matrix of regional costs of a particular discipline vs how much money (and time) does a person have and want to spend.

I’m not an eventing person, so I’m not totally in the loop regarding what resources are available near me for eventers. That being said, I am quite sure that boarding facilities with any cross country jumps on site represent a very small portion of the total available facilities. Slightly better odds for a facility that has any hacking out / trail access. There are exactly zero public facilities that have a cross country course. I have zero idea where one would even haul out to school cross country. I’m aware of a couple of schooling shows within an hour or so drive that offer combined tests. I’m not aware of any shows that offer a cross country phase close by. All that to say, it seems that eventing would be hard to get into around here and would probably be more expensive than a more readily available discipline in my area.

I’m going to look and see what I can find out for curiosity’s sake. Maybe there are some resources over near the polo fields. Not that I have any desire to event as I’m super wimpy about jumping.

I saw an announcement for an endurance ride not too far away and thought it might be a fun thing to do. I haven’t done one in over 20 years. I was shocked to find that the 25 mile ride was $150, and the “intro” 10 mile ride is $75 (both plus $15 if you’re not a member)! $150 for a trail ride? Yikes. For me, there’s no incentive to enter just for fun. It’s held in a public park, so I could go ride those trails for free any time I want. I would even be able to track how many miles I went, and do my own vet check if I were so inclined.

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While I’ve never seen prices that high locally for an endurance ride, you do understand it’s similar to eventing? They need a lot of officials and vets to run. If you want to trail ride, then do that, but it’s not competitive endurance.

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Yes, of course I understand that. I was thinking it would be more like $50-75 though, not $150. Just a little sticker shock after not having done it in a long time, which is really the theme of the thread. I was not complaining that it was unreasonable, just unexpected. Also, I was looking at doing it just for fun, so replacing it with a solo trail ride would work for me. I am not looking to be a competitive endurance rider.

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This will be my first year ever having the funds to compete. I’ve laid the ground work for the past decade to be able to train and compete as I would like, while still being a financially responsible Adult. I’m currently 30, and have been working towards this goal activity since I was 20… My husband and I have no debt, including owning our home and vehicles outright. We both chose to attend trade schools and saved before school, which allowed us to graduate with out student loans and be employed in our respective fields right out of school.
We bought 25 acres of raw land in our early twenties and have spent the last 7 years developing it. We did everything ourselves: all the dirt work, built the house, cleared land, put in pasture, fencing, a barn, and an outdoor arena. We never built anything we couldn’t pay out of pocket for.
We set savings aside and started our retirement. We never bought a vehicle we couldn’t pay outright for. We never had a mortgage, car payment, or credit card debt. When I bought a horse trailer it was a fixer upper stock trailer we completely redid. I didn’t own a horse for most of my twenties while we were building and saving.
We don’t come from a wealthy family or make a ridiculously large income. We’ve worked hard and made a lot of sacrifices to get where we are now. I can count on one hand the number of times we’ve eaten out or taken a vacation in the last decade. We’ve never had a tv or internet. We’ve bought almost everything second hand. We live quite rurally where land is affordable and picked occupations that afforded a decent salary in our area. Having a husband who has construction skills and can operate heavy machinery is a big plus:) Having horses at home on pasture 6 months out of the year makes keeping multiple horses pretty affordable. I haven’t spent more than a few thousand dollars on a horse and am not afraid to take on a project.
I realize our scenario isn’t realistic for everyone, but it sure feels darn good to put in the sweat equity and be able to make your dreams happen. It is possible for those of us commoners to afford to compete regularly, but at least for me it required a lot of sacrifice to set myself up for it.

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Being able to earn a decent income in a low cost of living area is a huge plus for horses.

Many of us are only employable in high cost metro areas, and need high speed internet to work from home.

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With the new rule changes, it would take 10 Training level events to move up to Prelim, all accomplished as a combination.

Well, as someone from an area where every event but one was a minimum of 4 hours from home and all but one was run over three or more days, I would spend a minimum of $600 per horse trial, and that was sleeping in a tent next to my trailer and eating camping food the whole weekend. I am a teacher, and while some of the events fall in the summer, many do not. Since we do not get traditional vacation days, to attend those dates I would have to take unpaid leave if I could go at all, meaning they cost an additional $250 in lost wages.

I was lucky to do 4 a year, and maybe two schooling events. We had XC jumps (banks, ditch, water, solid obstacles) at home and got regular lessons, but nobody hosted schooling trials that were much closer than the events. We did schooling jumper rounds when we could. I have since moved abroad, though I am still riding and competing in my new home.

So if I were to come back to the US and average my four shows/year, I would need another THREE YEARS, assuming I get a horse and immediately start competing at Training and didn’t lose a season or even an event to medical or life issues or have a bad weekend, to qualify for Prelim. At $600-1000 a pop, that’s a minimum investment of $6000 in competition fees simply to qualify for the level I want, and when gas, lost wages, hotels, etc. are factored in, we are talking about the down payment on a house just to get STARTED.

Neither of my previous horses would have qualified, though with the gelding I had 5 ribbons plus a T3DE with a stupid XC stop but otherwise great, and with the mare before that I had at least five solid finishes with a few ribbons–over the course of several years of competing. I would have no problem doing an event or two to get my feet wet again; in fact, I would require it of myself. But if I went back to the US, my goals would be essentially unattainable with the new rule, and I would have spent a total of over a decade and 3 different horses to get to Prelim. Oh, and for a grand total of 20K or more just in competition fees and expenses.

For comparison: I live in Germany. I have done 1 horse trial here, and it cost 60 Euros. It was one day (Sunday), and it cost maybe another 40 in gas and a snack. I can’t wait for the end of Covid so I can get back out there, and I can actually afford to do it! Membership dues are 60/year for the club (you are required to be a member of a club) and 60 for the association.

How do they make sure you are qualified? You have to have a license to compete. This means you take an intensive clinic over days/weeks, then get tested by external examiners. The clinic was weekends for 6 hours/day for four weekends–theory and practice. Then we had to do everything from an oral exam (association rules, stable management, evaluation of our own rides) to practical demonstrations (presenting a horse in hand, loading, grooming, tacking, dressage test including half without stirrups, BN jump course). All of that still only cost about 300, including all the lessons.

To move up, you can either do another license level or get points via placings in competition. The average jumper show costs 10-20 Euros per class, and most people enter only one or two rounds; they are everywhere, so we typically don’t drive more than a half hour, and we are often at the barn at seven and home by lunch. For the HT, I was at the barn to braid at 7, left at 9, dressage at 11, sj right after, walked the course, XC at 3, and home by 6 with horse and tack cleaned and put away–again, for 100 Euros including snacks and gas.

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I just saw this proposed rule change and was really surprised at how many events as a combination they’re requiring for the Prelim move up. I can understand increasing it if they’re worried about safety associated with people moving up too soon, but more than doubling it from 4 to 10 seems a bit much as does requiring them all to be as a combination.

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All on it’s own, this rule will flat out destroy Area IV. I always knew the powers that be didn’t give a crap about us but I didn’t think they actively wanted to destroy our eventing community up here. We have such a short eventing season, we already can’t keep any riders that want to go above prelim in the area. Now they want to kill off the ability for us to go prelim!? I’m lucky to be able to do three to four events per year.

I’m okay with them wanting some requirements for moving up, but you have to make those requirements attainable. And that’s just not possible in the more or less amateur-only areas. This will destroy us.

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Can someone post the rule updates? Wonder if EC will follow suit here in Canada.

Honestly I would be thrilled for them to implement this in Canada. Not only would it be a lot safer considering what is out there here, it would make Training level way more competitive, which is a great thing IMO

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This is designed to keep out the proles.

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Is it 10 within a year, or 10 overall trainings? If its 10 overall, I am all for it! I think people get pushed up the levels here in Canada, when they are definitely not ready. Heck I lived at training level for so long, and still dabble back and forth because it really still doesn’t fully prepare you for Prelim, at least from my experience. I can ride a training course comfortably now, but it sure took me a long time. But then again, was I pushed too soon to go training… yes, yes I was.

I am super stoked for the modified division, but I don’t see many events taking on this extra level here in Canada.

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10 within a 24 month period. Which might be fine in more accessible areas, but in Area IV most of us travel 3-5 hours for each event and spend an average of $1,000 each weekend. Our show season is really only between May to October as well. We already have a problem of losing riders to the south because of how much more accessible shows are. A lot of trainers in the area are talking about how they and their students simply can’t achieve the qualification in Area IV on our typical shoestring budgets. Now instead of leaving the area at prelim/thinking about intermediate level, it’ll be training/thinking about prelim level.

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Wow! I hadn’t heard about this and I think it’s a bit much too. I could see increasing it from 4 to 6, but 10 is a huge jump. That would definitely be a two-season endeavor for me as I don’t like to spend that much on shows or put that much mileage on my horses, and I avoid HTs in the summer when the ground is concrete here.

I wonder if they considered requiring a certain percentage of starts to result in MERs instead? If a bad rider with deep pockets is persistent enough, they could eventually get to 10 but if it takes them 20-30 starts to get there, are they really ready to move up? Whereas if you do 7-8 Trainings with 6 MERs, that is a much better indication of safety I think.

I clicked on every proposed Eventing rule change on the USEF website (https://www.usef.org/compete/resources-forms/rules-regulations/rule-changes) but none of them were this. Hopefully it is up and open to comments soon. The only place I can find any info on it is a video from yesterday on FB (https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=337787014237485&ref=watch_permalink&t=619) and EN (https://eventingnation.com/tuesday-video-usea-webinar-for-2021-rule-changes/).

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Thats just terrible that is costs $1000 to event one weekend. I couldn’t afford to show at all with that cost.

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Seriously! I hate some things about where I live and plan to move when I leave my current job in 10 years or so, but it’s crazy how much more expensive/inaccessible showing is elsewhere…

Yeah, how exactly is this supposed to work for the people who can’t just pack up and go to Florida all winter? Area IV has a total of 13 HTs for the 2021 calendar year. So in order to move up, you’d have to go to almost every single HT in the area, and may even some outside the area if you have a non-MER at any of the competitions. If you happen have a summer where you can’t compete, you can just abandon any hope of moving up?

I’d be interested to see how many non-affluent people from west of the Appalachians were consulted in making this decision.

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Okay, I listened to the video and took some notes. It was informative. The rationale comes across as pretty reasonable but the methodology for choosing particular numbers seems to have been partially based on stats but mostly based on “we talked to a bunch of top riders and this is what they said.” There were some interesting audience questions and some (IMO) tone deaf answers to them. Here are my notes for anyone who is interested (mostly not verbatim, and one speaker was almost impossible to understand…sorry for any errors):

There are still too many injuries even though safety has improved since 2008
Safety Committee formed work groups, which seem to have been mostly or all composed of of UL riders?
In looking at accidents, some riders seem to be moving up too quickly
Proposes licensing system similar to FEI
Levels of license:

  • A) 25 MERs at Intermed and above over rolling 8-year period
  • B) 25 MERs at Prelim and above over rolling 8-year period
  • UL) all others unlicensed

Expected rider breakdown based on current entries:

  • Prelim: 55% UL, 20% A, 23% B
  • Inter: 25-30% UL, 40% A, 35% B
  • Adv: 10% UL, 60% A, 30% B
  • 75% of riders have not competed at Prelim and above so most people will naturally be unlicensed

Prelim & Int move-up rules by license:

  • A: for Prelim, 4 MERs (as under current rules); or for Int, 3 MERs + 1 addl with no more than 20 XC penalties
  • B: 7 MERs as combination
  • UL: 10 MERs as combination
  • At least one MER must be within 6 weeks before move-up competition

Current fall rates at Prelim by proposed rider license:

  • A: 1.3%
  • B: 2%
  • UL: 4.6%

Origin of 10 MERs: looked at stats of successful UL riders and saw that they were doing 8-10 events before moving up; solicited feedback from many top riders/coaches
Would go in effect Dec 1, 2021, but Board still has to approve–“not entirely a done deal yet”
Grandfathering (addressed by EV105): riders who have achieved MER at Prelim would not have to move back down if they don’t have the MERs at Training

Q&As:

Q: worried that riders in areas with few events would not be able to progress at all
A: it does require a lot of time and dedication; we believe if you’re committed to climbing the levels and you’re in an area where eventing is not common, you’re going to have to travel (basically “too bad, so sad”); it’s regretful that so much travel is required

Q: is there a plan to financially assist those who need to travel, or increase the number of events in areas where there are few events?
A: I don’t know, this is a new proposal…kind of didn’t answer the financial assistance part but I think it’s safe to say the answer is no

Q: does 6 week time limit apply to all levels or just Adv?
A: Supposed to be for all levels but needs to be clarified

Q: how did you come up with 6 weeks?
A: UL riders said 3-6 weeks is optimal interval between last event and move-up; Rebecca Farm dangerous riding penalty involved rider who “bought a schooled horse and did the bare minimum at every level, and not very well…just the bare minimum, and then decided to upgrade to Adv 10 months after their last run”; 3 out of 4 on the watchlists were from underrepresented eventing areas

Q: do you think there may be a rush to move up before this change?
A: I can’t rule it out…everything has unintended consequences; I would like to think our riders are considerate enough of the animals they ride that they wouldn’t do that to them

If you have questions, you can email Sharon Gallagher (sharon@useventing.com)

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Here is a screenshot of the proposed rule, though I don’t know how legible it will be.

Thanks, Libby. I haven’t had time to watch the whole webinar yet so that’s really helpful. Moving up to Preliminary is pretty theoretical for me at this point (was planning a Training move up when my horse went lame), and I’m lucky enough to be in Area II where we have tons of competitions, but it seems like this is going to make it very difficult for a lot of amateur riders especially in the Areas with fewer competitions.

Was there any indication of if/how members can comment on the proposed rules?

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