http://www.psofsweden.com/en/for-the-horse/bridle/bridle-high-jump-revolution.html
Wondering if anyone knows if this bridle would be legal for the USEF jumper ring? I think my mare needs an anatomical bridle and I think I like this one better than the Micklem.
I haven’t done USEF shows in a long time and I couldn’t find anything in the rule book that says you can’t, so I’m hoping that since the Micklem is legal, the PS of Sweden High Jump Revolution will be too!
There is no bridle that is illegal for jumpers, so you are good to go.
I have this bridle. The only thing it’s not legal for is dressage.
MsRidiculous, do you use yours for schooling and for showing? If so, how has it held up?
Thanks for the input! I just wanted to make sure that if I was investing in a new bridle that I will actually be able to use it!
Why isn’t it legal for dressage? Seems to me that the picture of the horse in the double bridle was posted to attract upper level dressage riders.
If the Micklem has a valid patent, the PS bridle certainly looks like a patent violation.
Just curious — Do patents give the patent holder internation protection? Since these are Swedish bridles, wouldn’t they be exempt from a US patent?
They are configured slightly differently.
County has a patent on the logic girth, but other anatomic girths aren’t in violation because they are shaped differently. I imagine the same principle applies here.
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Just curious — Do patents give the patent holder internation protection? Since these are Swedish bridles, wouldn’t they be exempt from a US patent?[/QUOTE]
There is an international system for patents, same as drugs. If you’re somewhere like India, there may be lax enforcement but I but it can be disputed in Sweden.
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Why isn’t it legal for dressage? Seems to me that the picture of the horse in the double bridle was posted to attract upper level dressage riders.[/QUOTE]
She asked about the High Jump model. The noseband on that model is not dressage legal as of this point. They have several other models that are dressage legal (with the throatlatch attachment). I use the Flying Change for dressage.
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If the Micklem has a valid patent, the PS bridle certainly looks like a patent violation.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know why it would be, it’s not the same design as a Micklem.
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MsRidiculous, do you use yours for schooling and for showing? If so, how has it held up?
Thanks for the input! I just wanted to make sure that if I was investing in a new bridle that I will actually be able to use it![/QUOTE]
Yes I use both of mine for schooling and showing. I’ve had the High Jump longer - since October. I’ve not had any problems with it. I do know that they’re about to roll out three different lines of leather - economy, mid-grade (the current stuff), and premium. I would choose premium.
I have two bridles from them, a breastplate, a browband, and a quarter sheet. Planning on adding the hackamore bridle to my collection at some point.
that bridle is completely different than the micklem. On the micklem, the bit attaches to the noseband. This one has it’s own separate cheek piece for the bit. I would think, while they appear to be similar in their “anatomicalness”, this bridle may act differently when it comes to the bit in the mouth. As far as being “legal” for the jumpers, yes it is.
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that bridle is completely different than the micklem. On the micklem, the bit attaches to the noseband. This one has it’s own separate cheek piece for the bit. I would think, while they appear to be similar in their “anatomicalness”, this bridle may act differently when it comes to the bit in the mouth. As far as being “legal” for the jumpers, yes it is.[/QUOTE]
Until the Micklem, I don’t recall EVER seeing a bridle that came behind the cheekbones. Or one that had the retaining strap in the same place as the Micklem–under the jaw. This bridle appears to have “stolen” both those innovations from the Micklem. It also has the drop aspect of the noseband, which the Micklem has, but that really isn’t an innovation. I agree that the separate, non-anatomical bit hanging strap is different, but bridle as a whole simply builds upon the Micklem’s innovations–if they are Micklem innovations.
The Multibridle can’t be sold in the US with the crossed strap bitless option because Dr. Cook patented that here.
The Micklem would have been patented in the EU. One supposes that EU countries have to honor each others’ patents.
Here in Northern California, a rider showed a horse in a Grand Prix wearing a leather halter (said horse was super sensitive and went better in halter than hackamore). So yes, legal for jumping.
Can someone explain why its NOT legal for dressage?
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Until the Micklem, I don’t recall EVER seeing a bridle that came behind the cheekbones. Or one that had the retaining strap in the same place as the Micklem–under the jaw. This bridle appears to have “stolen” both those innovations from the Micklem. It also has the drop aspect of the noseband, which the Micklem has, but that really isn’t an innovation. I agree that the separate, non-anatomical bit hanging strap is different, but bridle as a whole simply builds upon the Micklem’s innovations–if they are Micklem innovations.
The Multibridle can’t be sold in the US with the crossed strap bitless option because Dr. Cook patented that here.
The Micklem would have been patented in the EU. One supposes that EU countries have to honor each others’ patents.[/QUOTE]
Having used both bridles, I find them quite different in actual use. Horse goes different, things sit differently. Similar idea as far as not having a strap running across where there are teeth (which isn’t particularly an innovative idea in and of itself - figure 8’s do that too), but that’s pretty much where the similarities end.
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Here in Northern California, a rider showed a horse in a Grand Prix wearing a leather halter (said horse was super sensitive and went better in halter than hackamore). So yes, legal for jumping.
Can someone explain why its NOT legal for dressage?[/QUOTE]
The noseband on this particular model (the High Jump) is not one that is specifically outlined as being legal in the dressage tack and equipment section of the rulebook. They’re pretty specific.
“3. For Federation Third and Fourth Level tests same as (2) above, or a simple double bridle (bridoon [snaffle] and bit [curb] and curb chain, cavesson noseband only).”
If you refer to pages 46, 47, and 48 of the dressage section of the rule book, there are drawings showing each type of legal bridle. A Micklem is specifically called out, as is a combined noseband (which the High Jump is not, according to USEF). I don’t think it makes sense, personally, but that’s why. I assume the process to get it approved as a legal bridle would be much like what Micklem had to go through to get theirs approved.
Patents don’t protect “innovation” per se. They protect the specific design set forth in the patent. So the fact that Micklem put a strap behind the cheekbones doesn’t necessarily prevent other designers from also using that concept. You’d have to look at what the Micklem patent describes (assuming it has one) side-by-side with the alleged copycat to see what is specifically in the Micklem patent and what is in the copycat. Sometimes changing a few details is sufficient to not infringe. It’s pretty fact specific. The Micklem patent could also be poorly written. There’s a real art to writing them broad enough to prevent too much in the way of copying/derivatives but specific enough to get the protection.
which may be used in the intersection of the two leather straps of a crossed noseband,the headstall and cavesson/noseband of the bridle must be made entirely of leatheror leather-like material.
Quote from dressage rules
not a USEF official but I would say they are going to have issues in the dressage rules about the amount of metal in contact with the jaw .
to make sure you can submit the photos of the bridle to the federation. Since it is new they cannot account for every bridle invention.
The clip can be taken off of the jaw strap.
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