PSSM2: Give me all your tips and tricks!

I’ve started several threads of intermittent lameness and NQR with my mare. It’s now essentially confirmed that she’s MFM / PSSM2. I trust my team of specialists and they’ve basically ruled (after ~2 years of investigation) that it’s a muscle disorder but that biopsy will likely be inconclusive as she’s already on diet / exercise / management regime that would be managing for symptoms / damage.

So, those who have PSSM2 or MFM horses - what are your top ‘must haves’ for managing your horse? Favorite supplements? Exercise routines? Therapeutic support?

I’ll be working with my vet team to build my mare’s protocols but would love to hear others’ PSSM2 favorites to generate ideas and give me alternatives to explore as we tria-and-error our way into the most effective management routine.

It’s a lousy problem, but much better to know and understand than to assume that your mare is nappy, naughty, or lame. I find that very long walk warmups help quite a lot, as does daily “forced” exercise, i.e.: not lounging around a pasture. Longeing and/or riding daily, or as near as you can get to that, helps hugely. I have a client who’s swearing by Immubiome, but having ridden her horse for the past 10 days I can’t say that I’m aware of any major difference in him. Low-sugar hay, extra sources of amino acids, but I’m guessing you’re already aware of those. I think just not missing works is a big part of managing the problem, the more regularly and often these horses work the better they feel.

And I forgot, because here it’s mid-winter! Little to no grass, I have one in a grazing muzzle for turnout from March through November, until the ground is not only frozen but covered with snow.

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I have a suspected PSSM2 gelding. What has really helped for him:

  • all day turnout with friends
  • no grain, he gets beet pulp/alfalfa pellets with a VM supplement
  • extra magnesium, vitamin E, tri aminos, and BCAAs

His owner had him on stall rest for almost a year trying to figure out what was wrong with him. Bone scan, injections, osphos, different shoeing etc etc etc. Looking back (if my inclinations about PSSM2 are correct), the stall rest was probably the worst thing for him. Here is a video of him … first video was taken during stall rest, second one was after he started group turnout and grain was removed, third one was two weeks after adding all the supplements.

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@greywithchrome

Can I ask what BCAAs you are using, and the source?

Yes! I just use a human BCAA. I compared the dosage to a few horse BCAA supplements and feed him 3 scoops for a total of 7.5g leucine, 2.5g isoleucine, 2.5g valine but I could easily double this dose. And then my tri-amino supplement is 10g lysine, 6g methionine, and 4g threonine.

Thank you for the link! I noticed that the powder comes in different sizes and flavors. Which one do you order?

I was looking at these two BCAA equine supplements and trying to figure out if the human version was more ‘bang for your buck’ so to speak.

UltraCruz® Equine BCAA Supplement for Horses | Santa Cruz Animal Health (scahealth.com)

SmartMuscle® Recovery Pellets (smartpakequine.com)

I just got the unflavoured kind! I got the 1kg bag so it costs me 75 cents (CAD) per day. I am in Canada so I had limited equine BCAA options available to me anyways.

The options you linked - the Santa Cruz one looks to have 12g leucine, 6g valine, and 4g isoleucine, which sounds good. However it says it’s $4 a day :flushed: The Smartpak one only has 4.75g of leucine/valine/isoleucine COMBINED so idk. It has a bunch of other good stuff in it though.

One more silly question – does it come with it’s own scoop? If not, roughly how much is 3 scoops equal to? How many days does the 1 kg bag last you?

(sorry all for de-railing this thread!)

For my gelding (n/p2) it has been the following:

Diet:

  • Vitamin E (2000ius KER Elevate Maintenance daily)
  • DMG (Smartpak Smart DMG 1 scoop daily)
  • Electrolytes + Salt (1 scoop daily but I feed extra when temps spike)
  • High protein diet (was on soy bean hulls but I’ve switched to Tribute Essential K GC Plus ~2.25lbs daily)
  • Magnesium when needed in high stress situations (MVP Magnesium 5000mg)
  • Does fine on any type of hay (Sudan Grass, orchard grass, alfalfa)

Exercise/Housing:

  • Daily turnout with friends for 6-10 hours
  • Inside at night and well blanketed with a ceramic blanket as a liner
  • I ride 4 days a week for at least 30 minutes but usually 45-70 minutes. Lots of walk and trot but ALWAYS warm up in the canter. I know it can be unorthodox to some but we start right off once I get in the saddle with a nice hand gallop around for about 3-5 minutes both ways. Fifteen minutes of walk cooldown after our ride.

Vet/Farrier:

  • He is barefoot now and has been going great. When his PSSM peaked we had to have corrective shoeing for a year though to keep his feet together.
  • Chiropractic and/or Craniosacral when needed

Ceramic saddle pads and blankets have been literally a life saver for him in cold months and are an absolute must have. I have backups for my backups in case he rips one or I need to wash it. He is blanketed heavy, meaning less than 40F outside he is in ceramic + 300g and hood, 40-50F is ceramic and 200g, and anything warmer than 55F at night he is in his ceramic.

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SO helpful thank you! Is he clipped or unclipped (and if unclipped - how heavy of a coat?)
What climate are you in? I think I’ve been under-blanketing this winter as she’s Canadian-origin and grows a good coat so I assumed she was fine, but we’ve had a cold winter (e.g. this morning it was real feel -7) and I think she’s more sensitive to it then I realized!

She does have a BOT mesh sheet which I’m now having her live in.

It does come with it’s own scoop which is 5g, so the bag lasts me about 2 months!

He is clipped into a hunter trace clip. Basically just has hair on his back and hind quarters. If he wasnt clipped then I’d probably do everything one level less for the blanketing. I live in Northern California so our days are pretty mild but the nights have been getting down into the 30s this winter.

His coat is pretty thick where its not clipped. He still sweats even with this clip in 50F weather during a ride.

Im now wondering if my gelding is getting enough BCAA in his balancer. Im going to have to look into this. I am not sure how much was in the soy bean hulls he was getting at my trainers barn. We left there recently and I made the switch over to Tribute since I didnt want to keep up the pieced together, home brewed feed she had (which was $40 more expensive per month). Thanks for the insight!

I have a 2012 Oldenburg gelding who is n/P2 and n/Px (although he’s never tied up, thank goodness). Purchased/imported him in November 2015. He’s always had a tall, elegant frame but he struggles to build muscle and gain weight. This was definitely a process of trial-and-error and nothing is set in stone. Here is what we did / what works for us:

Did the EquiSeq test to get our n/P2 and n/Px results. Joined a couple of active PSSM1/2 groups on Facebook (“Managing PSSM, RER and other muscle disease” and also “PSSM Forum”) - lots more people sharing their journeys, sharing ideas, plenty of in-depth supplement discussions (many PSSM2 horses seem to live on a lengthy list of supplements; I feel lucky in comparison). What I appreciate most, after many months in these forums, is that how/when/where PSSM2 manifests is unique to each horse and what works for one horse won’t do a thing for another, or worse, might set the horse back. It is a lifelong journey.

Worked with an equine nutritionist who knows and understands the difference between PSSM1 and PSSM2 (what works for him is a 32% protein feed rather than an amino acid supplement); he also gets ImmuBiome Lean Muscle and 2,000iu of natural vitamin e and that’s it for supplements.

Got his hay tested; shared hay test results with his nutritionist; revised his menu accordingly.

We get his blood tested regularly - specifically I’ve had it tested three times since August 2021 - we’re looking for elevated serum CK levels because of his n/Px results.

Moved him to a large pasture with friends 24/7; he can have one or two days off now that he lives out; prior to living out, he lived in a stall at night with all-day turnout in a decent-sized paddock, and he needed at least a light lunge every day.

He loves PEMF/MagnaWave, BEMER blankets, and massage.

He loves to get out of the arena - road hacks and long walks through the hills are part of his regular routine when weather permits. Variety keeps him happy and relaxed in his training.

He’s not clipped, has a very fine yet plush/velvety soft coat (with dapples in the summer, lol yay), and he wears maybe ~50g to 100g more fill in his winter blankets than non-PSSM2 horses (we live in the pacific northwest).

He gets GastroGuard before he gets on a trailer and when he’s at a horse show / clinic / etc.

Summertime horse shows, he gets the Cavalor electrolyte paste/tube.

Since changing his diet, his feet have grown tougher, and he’s currently barefoot behind; previously he had terribly thin soles and required shoes all around and pads in the front.

Prior to figuring out his PSSM2 diagnosis, he was good for about 45 minutes of work, whether it was schooling at home or away at competition. At shows, he did one test per day and we were careful that his warmup + test time didn’t exceed that time limit; if it did, he would suddenly decide he was DONE, and that was no fun. So he’s never tied up, but we’re careful not to exceed his perceived exercise tolerance (because we know he’s n/Px).

I have methocarbamol and banamine in the first aid kit in case he ever actually ties up.

He gets his teeth done every six months (not sure if this is actually a PSSM2 thing, but it affects how he eats, so I’m including it). He’s a slow, messy, picky eater at the best of times. He’s bottom of the hierarchy in the field, and his pasture buddies are voracious scavengers who think his dinner is FAR more tasty and interesting than their dinners. AND he has a love-hate relationship with his stall these days (he hates the sound of snow sliding off the roof – it’s terrifying – BUT he loves eating in peace).

In chasing down his PSSM2 diagnosis, we also checked on / dealt with so many related things: saddle fit, teeth, ulcers, x-rays everywhere, etc.

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This is so helpful thank you! I hear a lot of similarities in my mare (teeth needing done on 6 month basis, 45 min exercise tolerance, thin soles that we just couldn’t get to grow)

Do oyu mind sharing the equine nutrionist you used? If they do “telehealth” I’d love to connect with them!

Do oyu mind sharing the equine nutrionist you used? If they do “telehealth” I’d love to connect with them!

I checked in with her this morning, and I’ve DM’d you her contact info.

My mare is on a ration balancer - Tribute essential K.

She gets whey protein mixed with soaked alfalfa pellets. I feed peanut hay 1-2 flakes per day for extra protein. Free choice coastal.

She’s okay for about an hour ride- 5 miles of walking. Twice a week. I would like to increase that to 3 days a week, but don’t think it will happen with my schedule.

She could never hold the canter lead and might have other issues physically. She’s always been a walk trot horse. I allow her to canter if she wants but you have to watch for a crow hop. She needs rider support at the trot because she can’t hold herself together. Struggles with turns and circles.

Sometimes she looks lame but doesn’t seem to feel painful like a typical lame horse. My thoroughbred would go lame and was always miserable. I’ve had multiple vets look at her- tried pentosan injections, joint injections, did x rays - as the initial thought was that it was lameness. Then she tied up on a light walking ride and the pieces started fitting together.

The exercise intolerance has gotten worse as she ages… But so have the temperatures. Extreme heat makes things much worse.

What is the 32% protein feed that you use? Recently added alfalfa pellets back in and whey protein for my mare but wondering if that might work better

Would you mind sending me her info too? Thanks!