putting weight on the older dog

Over about the past year, I have been having trouble keeping weight on my 15 year old boxer/retriever/boarder collie mix. She seems to have lost her appetite, and the dog that would once eat everything in front of her sometimes doesn’t eat at all.

Some of it may be depression; we lost the dog she grew up with about a year ago. However she has two other canine companions so she isn’t alone.

I had a work-up done back in October, which showed some mildly elevated liver enzymes but nothing specific. She was retested in January or February and all was normal. The vet thought the earlier elevation in enzymes were because she had eaten that morning.

Her weight hadn’t dropped significantly at that point (she may have actually gained), though it appears that she has lost weight due to loss of muscle mass. However, we’ve moved from the south to the north, and I’m worried about this winter. I’d like to try to put some weight on her in the next few months so that she will be prepared.

She looks to me as though she has lost more weight, though that is what I always think and hasn’t proven to be the case. She looks like a (too) ribby TB and her spine is starting to be visible.

She’s inside at night, and mostly outside during the day, so cold nights aren’t an issue. I can keep her inside more as the weather gets colder, though I think she would prefer to be outside if she could.

I’m planning on ordering all of them some sort of winter coat to help them adjust to the colder temperatures. (Well, maybe not the catahoula since she has a rock-solid winter coat. But definitely for the boarder collie mix and the great dane mix). Any suggestions on what kind of winter coat would be very welcome. I am leaning towards the type that are similar to horse blankets, (like this or this) but would love pros/cons and suggestions.

Her teeth are crap – beyond-a-dental-level of crap. Meaning that she has worn them down over the years and there aren’t many left.

I’ve tried a variety of foods, from blue buffalo to iams to various canned foods to crappy (but possibly tasty?) foods like dog chow. I’ve wet her food with hot water or broth. Nothing seems to stimulate her appetite.

Having noticed that she is always interested in taking her rimadyl in the peanut butter pill pocket, I did an online search to try to determine if feeding quantities of peanut butter is safe for dogs, and I ended up finding out about satin balls.

It turns out that she gobbled that up (as advertized). And I’ve found that if I put it on the bottom of her bowl and cover it with a layer of dog food, she eats most of the dog food.

I read that satin balls were somewhat controversial, though I didn’t find the “con” argument anywhere. Can anyone enlighten me? There were many recipes, and I ended up using a mixture of ground beef, whole eggs, total cereal, oats, evaporated milk, molasses, gelatin and peanut butter.

I spent some quality time googling today, looking for some high-calorie dog foods. I ended up ordering Canidae chicken meal and rice, which is 475 calories per cup. I’m hoping this is palatable, since she has shown that she will eat if she is interested.

She definitely has had a dulling of her sense – her hearing and eyesight aren’t all that great anymore. I’m guessing that her sense of smell is declining as well.

So if anyone has made it though my mini-novel, do you have any other suggestions? Any opinions on satin balls and/or which satin ball recipe is best? Any opinions on highly-palatable dog food? Any opinion on the Caindae chicken meal and rice food (I know, it is a lot of rice … )? Any opinions on the best winter coat for dogs in snowy climates?

Try putting the food on a raised surface. My old dog really stopped eating like he used to and I couldn’t figure out why. He’d take food from my hand, but wouldn’t eat. Turns out he had neck arthritis and it hurt to bend down to a dish. If that turns out to be the case with your dog, don’t forget to also raise the water bowl. Many times the old dogs get neck arthritis and since it hurts to bend over, they will only do it for really special food, or if they get really hungry.

The other thing you can try is to feed canned food that you warm up in a microwave. Warming makes it smellier, so they may find it more appealing. Be sure you stick your finger in several spots to make sure it doesn’t have hot spots that will scald his tongue.

Light daily exercise can stimulate the appetite.

If that doesn’t work, sometimes a vet can give them low dose steroids to boost the appetite, if their health allows.

First of all, always check with your vet. I’ve heard about satin balls and it is great that is helping. It sounds like you have a high quality food ordered. In addition to that, and depending on how sensitive her system is, I add some cooked meat to give my dogs some real food. You could add a little meat, maybe an egg or cottage cheese. Again, all of this is assuming it is a picky old dog issue.

I’m having the same issue with my aging Standard poodle. She’s about 12 now, not really old, but she’s always been a picky eater and now she’s ramped it up to insane levels. I’ve just ordered some 475/kC per cup food from my feed store. Victor’s Nutro Pro 38. I hope she eats it. currently he’s eating a grain-free salmon and pea, but I have to mix at least 1/2 a can of canned dog food, and even then if she eats half, I’m lucky. I’d been cooking and grinding venison for her from a co-worker (previous year’s kills that were still in the freezer) and she liked that. She turns her nose up at cottage cheese.

He teeth are fine, just had a full workup done at the vet, including dental.

I’m thinking of satin balls, too, and have most of the ingredients. Maybe time to start her on my “Dying dog” diet of chicken legs boiled with rice, deboned and chopped, veggies and potato flakes added to thicken it to a stew. She doesn’t act like an old dog. I don’t want to have to treat her like one!

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My dog has the belly wrap version os this blanket. He stayed very warm and completely dry this winter.

https://www.horseloverz.com/product/dog/1135051-weatherbeeta-parka-1200d-dog-coat.html?sku=5-687118&gdftrk=gdfV27555_a_7c1161_a_7c2883_a_7c5_d_687118&ev_pid=5-687118&ev_ppid=51320962143&ev_adtype=pla&ev_cmpg=Shopping&gclid=CPPL9K7JiccCFUsXHwodf44K0Q

I have a 16+ year old lab mix with Cushing’s. He’s lost a ton of muscle mass in the past 2 years, and although his weight is the same at the vet’s office every year, he’s definitely ribby looking and he feels so much bonier. He’s got a great appetite, though (he does have Cushing’s so those go hand in hand), and eats well. I hate to put more weight on him as he’s starting to lose coordination and I feel as though more body mass with just put more stress on his body and make him tip over more.

So, my question is whether or not your dog really is underweight OR if she just appears so because she’s lost that lean muscling that once covered the bony bits that are now appearing.

I really like Canidae, I feed my somewhat picky, hard keeping girl their All Life Stages formula, which is 468cal/cup, and she eats it, though I do mix in a little high calorie wet food to encourage her, she’ll eat it wo the wet but it takes her all day and she doesn’t always finish it. So maybe mix in some meat, peanut butter, whatever works to get her to eat. I’d never heard of satin balls but I’m so glad they’re helping you.
Best of luck.
ETA: I have this blanket(that’s a mobile link so not sure it will work for you? It’s the Riders International fleece dog blanket) for my dog and I love it. I’ve had it 4 years and it’s held it beautifully, no pilling or anything, and it’s super easy to clean, just pop it in the washing machine and dryer. It is a lighter weight one as I live in Florida and only make summer trips up north(still need/use it though as my girl gets cold easily), but I can imagine that unless it got really super cold something like that would do the trick. Of course if you live somewhere w temperatures below say, the single digits you might need something heavier, but this blanket kept my girl warm when I lived in Cincinnati w temperatures in the teens. Blankets are majorly on sale right now so now’s the time to buy! One thing I don’t like about that fleece blanket you picked out is the leg holes, maybe that’s just me, but I find that in many dogs they can be uncomfortable and restrict movement. I highly recommend the fleece material, very durable, easy to care for/clean, but I’d go for something that’s more truly like a horse blanket, wo leg holes.

teaspoon coconut oil to each meal. ( with vet’s approval)

Noodles (with butter, if needed), and boiled chicken. I add it to my older dog’s prescription food, per his vet. It has helped a lot. For him, I noticed he gets dehydrated at times, so I add the water the chicken was boiled in to his food as well. My dog gets sick if I just increase the prescription food.

^ rice is generally considered preferable to noodles from a dietary standpoint, but I understand if the dog is picky you have to feed them what they’ll eat.

Loss of muscle mass is normal, and making a dog fatter doesn’t necessarily help them out (especially if they have joint issues) so be careful not to worry about something that isn’t really a problem yet.

That said, I would definitely add yummies to your kibble to help your dog eat it - chopped egg, cottage cheese, drained ground beef, beef broth, etc. Lots of good and healthy choices.

If you are worried about the cold, definitely use a blanket/coat. Also think about where your dog bed(s) are and the temperature of the floor underneath. Sometimes dogs reject beds because they are in drafty areas or the floor underneath is too cold.

Oh, and I agree with raising the dish - our old guy would have occasional days when he didn’t want to eat from his bowl, but would from my hand. Once we raised the dish, and got him some chiro treatment - this went away totally. So I do think many times the position can be uncomfortable and they won’t eat.

Thanks so much to everyone for the replies.

I will find a way to raise her bowl. She eats in her kennel because my catahoula would otherwise get it all.

I’m mostly worried about the weight issue because she isn’t eating well. If she was eating and I could see her ribs/spine/hip bones, I wouldn’t worry as much. To be clear, she isn’t emaciated, just thinner than I’d like. I tried to get a picture I could link to but she wasn’t in the mood for posing for some conformation shots.

Part of my worry is because the catahoula is only a year younger and isn’t having any of these issues. I know – totally different (and very hardy) breed – but when I compare them (and I probably shouldn’t), it makes this dog look way worse that she probably is.

I looked back through my vet records, and she weighed 38.9 in 2013 when she had a dental, then 41.5 last October when I had the first set of bloodwork done, and 39.5 when I had her re-checked in mid-January. I don’t have a weight for March, though I know we weighed her.

I need to find a vet in this area but I’m not looking forward to it. I’ve been spoiled. My former vet was a friend and fellow volunteer, so we had a great relationship and I trusted her completely. We discussed the care of my pets in a professional manner and made decisions together. It will take a while before I can build that kind of a relationship with anyone around here.

She is relatively active-- spends a lot of time napping on the porch or behind the bushes, but plenty of time walking around the yard as well. She does have arthritis, and takes rimadyl for that, which seems to be working well. We didn’t have stairs in our old house but do here, and she gets up and down them fine as long as the light is on. She also takes incurin (an estrogen) for leaky bladder.

Here is the link to the satin balls if anyone is interested. I didn’t use any one of these, but took elements from different ones to make my own.

Got some pictures … not good ones, but I think you’ll be able to see what I’m talking about.

Crappy topline

ribs and hip bones

There are other pictures if you care to look, but those are the ones that I think best represent how she looks right now.

The catahoula and the dane mix were much more interested in having their pictures taken, so they are in most of the shots.

The dog in question is the black one with some white and the gray muzzle.

The dane mix is 4 and the catahoula is 14.

pictures added

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Yep, I think you’re right to be adding some more weight to her. She looks quite thin.

After looking at some of the satin ball recipes, my guesses for why they’re controversial are because (1) feeding raw meat with those associated risks & (2) there are claims they are a complete and balanced diet without any support & (3) high fat (pancreatitis risk).

I’d definitely want a vet check & some more bloodwork done to look for any underlying issues. A lot can change in 8(?) months in a geriatric dog.

Yes, I agree she needs weight. I agree with the post above about the high fat content of satin balls. Calories are good, but not necessarily high fat calories.

I also agree on getting new bloodwork if it’s been 8 months. If it all comes back good - I would mix her kibble with whatever (in moderation) you can give her to make it tasty. I might consider lean ground beef (drained of excess fat) and mixed with her kibble to soak it through. Since her teeth aren’t great, I might mix the next meal a few hours before she eats it so it’s pretty soft.

Good luck! And update us!

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^ rice is generally considered preferable to noodles from a dietary standpoint, but I understand if the dog is picky you have to feed them what they’ll eat.[/QUOTE]

Noodles aren’t bad if your dog is dying

Quick update:

Saw a vet today. She’s down to 33#.

He suspects that it is cancer … while I certainly understand that is a definite possibility, I wonder if some of the weight loss isn’t due to the stress of moving and adjusting. She is such a nervous dog. Even though I know she is very smart, we did terribly in obedience classes because she got so anxious that all she would do is climb in my lap and shake (and she probably weighed 45# back then.)

He also thinks cardiac cachexia is a possibility. She had a murmur that hasn’t been present in the past (to my knowledge). We talked about a CXR but her murmur was pretty soft and she doesn’t have activity intolerance so we didn’t do that. I just need to keep an eye on her resting RR in case she goes into heart failure.

He didn’t think blood work would be particularly helpful, so we skipped that. She’ll need a heartworm test in Oct and can get further testing at that time if indicated.

He also said she can eat whatever she wants, no specific diet recommendations, just try to get her to eat.

About a month or so ago, our 14yo German Shepherd quit eating his normal food, and he was a voracious eater. He was getting a mix of kibble and wet food, and after trying to various brands to no avail, we got some samples of dehydrated food.

He is now like a puppy again at feeding time. We go back and forth between Bravo dehydrated raw and Honest Kitchen chicken or turkey. I would see if you can get some samples of those and see if she likes them.

Sorry Lauralite…