Anyone know anything about Doc O Lena Chex?
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Did you want AQHA stats on this horse or ?
I don’t know anything about QH breeding, so even if I found stats on the pedigree it wouldn’t mean much to me. But, if anyone knows something like “that’s a solid horse known for xyz and blah blah blah” or “he’s known to throw crooked-legged babies” that’s what I’m interested in. I found the breeder’s website but of course it says only wonderful things…
Do you mean Doc Olena Chex or Doc O Lena Chex KS? Those were the two I could find with similar names.
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Do you mean Doc Olena Chex or Doc O Lena Chex KS? Those were the two I could find with similar names.[/QUOTE]
KS…thanks!
I don’t believe the horse has any performance record, nor is there any evidence that any of its babies have any substantial performance record in the show ring. That’s pretty telling of the quality, IMO. But I didn’t run any searches on the AQHA website (my membership is not current), just going by the fact the owner isn’t advertising anything so maybe there are some and they are just hiding his light under a barrel.
Lots of King Fritz and Bueno Chex. I don’t like that much line breeding but those are nice horses.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/doc+o+lena+chex+ks
I didn’t look him up on the AQHA site, is there something in particular you are interested in? Performance points, number of foals or ownership?
I don’t know anything about that particular horse per se. What does the website say, is he a reiner?
I looked and looks like just a breeding stallion, doesn’t say if he competed but who knows. Nice geldings on their web page.
Might be worth a visit if it is close to you.
Chex horses were tremendously popular on the west coast maybe 30 years ago. Working Cow Horse, Stock Horse (now called Reining), SBF. Cutting. IIRC King Fritz also got some WP winners ( not like what you see today-nice movers), he was sought after if you wanted a good performance baby.
BUT this horse has way, way too much King in him. King sired Poco Bueno, Poco Tivio, Poco Whatever and where you don’t see King Fritz on here you see Poco Somebody by King or a grandson or daughter of King. King was a fine horse why he was designated P 234 but almost all branches of the family tree lead to him.
The ones that don’t lead to King lead to Three Bars (TB). Another monster sire of the 50s and 60s popular as a cross on the heavier bodied types, like King breds as well as racers and he is found in a great many show horse pedigrees. Best known being Impressive-IIRC a grandsons the sires side, great grandson and twice great grandson on the dams side. Example why too many crosses in too few generations is not a great idea.
Its nice to see both in any pedigree but in a 50-60 year span, it is better to have more then just those two sitting on all the branches of the family tree.
Are you thinking of breeding to Doc O Lena Chex KS? I wouldn’t. For sure not with a mare that had a single drop of blood from these two in her, and in today’s QH, that going to be hard. They were quite prolific and so were their better
offspring. But I might look at a gelding if it was broke and going. Would vet it pretty good too. Might be worth it.
Thanks for the extra info, that’s the kind of thing I’m looking for. Found a gelding by this horse and so was wondering about the bloodlines. I like his engine, looks like he has a nice temperament, but he’s very small.
Oh, I don’t know, you can’t have too much King and Three Bars in my experience! When it works it’s called line breeding, when it doesn’t work, it’s called inbreeding.
But I would personally avoid the Impressive branch like the plague.
King wasn’t p-1, Wimpy was P-1. King was P-234.
The horse is very heavily line-bred. This can be good if you cross him on a mare that is completely unrelated, as it can generate a form of hybrid vigor in the offspring.
I am, personally, a big fan of King Fritz and Bueno Chex horses. One of my favorites was by a King Fritz son, out of a Bueno Chex daughter. They are smart, athletic and usually well put together. They are slow maturing. You didn’t/don’t see many King Fritz horses in the futurities, unless they are crossed on something a lot faster maturing, like the Doc Bar lines. The King Fritz sons and daughters back in the day that dominated reined cow horse/stock horse on the west coast were bridle horses and sometimes hackamore horses. These horses start turning on, mentally, around 5/6 years old, and often are growing up to that age. I had one that was 14.2, maybe, as a 2 year old, and ended up 15.3 and 1250# of cow eating machine. I’ve had 3, bred similarly, that all ended up 15.3/16h, and I don’t think a single one was over 14.3 as a two year old, but I’ve also known other horses from the same breeder that topped out at 14.2/3. Size seems to be very variable in the line. If you think the horse might not be done growing, do a string test on him to see where he might end up.
The Doc Bar/Doc O Lena can add some hotness and a little insecurity, but the King Fritz seems to keep them from being batty.
If you like the horse, buy the horse. With a gelding, as long as you like him and he’s clear of HYPP and PSSM, it doesn’t really matter how he’s bred. Do be aware that even though I love the line, they’re kind of jerks with a lot of personality and will tend to pick on/drive/work anything in their pasture, including other horses, other livestock and wildlife. I have watched one gelding hide in the trees and wait for deer to cross his pasture, just to chase them. I haven’t been able to pasture any of them with other livestock, once the horse matured, and they’ve all had an urge to go after dogs.
This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for, thank you! What is P1 vs P234?
Supposedly horse has a great temperament. He’s a bit far for me so I’m trying to decide via pictures and videos if he’s worth a trip…
The first horses in the original AQHA registry were inspected before given a number.
Then they got a permanent number, P-whatever.
For many years, horses were inspected before receiving a permanent number.
The inspector came by here regularly to inspect ours.
They decided the horse that won one of the largest shows of the time, The 1941 Forth Worth Stock show, would be considered P-1 in the registry, Wimpy happen to be that horse.
The next numbers 2 to 19 were given to the stallions they considered foundation of the newly started quarter horse breed registry.
King was P-234 because he was the 234 horse to be registered.
Nice horses back there, the Hancock is the same line my little mare is. Some great horses back there, not necessarily as well known, but nicely bred. Depth Charge sired some nice horses though not as well known as Three Bars etc.
Bluey would know more than me on this pedigree. I do like that is a mixture of running type horse mixed with performance. I suppose you could force me to look at the picture by PM. 
I had a great-grandson of Leo that was a terrific horse, so I like seeing that. As noted already other good lines as well.
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Thanks for the extra info, that’s the kind of thing I’m looking for. Found a gelding by this horse and so was wondering about the bloodlines. I like his engine, looks like he has a nice temperament, but he’s very small.[/QUOTE]
I fixed the P1 thing, my bad…aging brain there.
But I would not shy away from a gelding already broke and going sound with a vet check. I assume the pedigree is of the sire? Or is it the gelding you are considering? You can PM me if you’d rather keep it quiet.
On avoiding Imoressive? Whose to say closely combining his relatives would not produce similar results? That did not necessarily originate with him…just food for thought and a reason to test for HYPP when buying, even a gelding. I’d buy a broke and going gelding with him in a heartbeat NN of course- they were spectacular using horses besides being really good looking.
Bay Roan nailed the personality of some of these, IME it was the on King side but also had an own grandson of Three Bars who was no pet. Good using horses with a work ethic are often not warm fuzzies. Especially if they have a lot of cow.
So it depends on what you want to do with the horse. You want a partner to work with on a job, willing to work with and for you? They are it. You want a pleasant type to trail ride occasionally, love and cuddle on and mess with for recreation? Probably not.
I simply choose to avoid Impressive, in part because a pet peeve is perpetuating even good lines with known defects. Plus so many great lines out there that one has great options. Just me mind you, and I wouldn’t deny being crazy (if I had more money I could be called eccentric).
Beverly, I would not support a breeder concentrating on that line but a broke gelding from an intermediate owner? Yeah-confirmed NN and I will run my own test regardless of any documentation.
My sport horse specialist vets also do a big QH show barn nearby. Had a discussion with one of the vets at a social gathering over some adult beverages who shared they often debated with the owner over said owners belief you couldn’t win with an NN…which is sick. And that’s one breeder I will never touch anything that was ever on their property. No idea how they get around that and dont want to know. Wins real big at the shows too.
In light of this breeder/ trainers big mouth and knowing he’s not the only one? I don’t think you are crazy and understand. I still wouldn’t mind a well broke gelding that happened to be bred that way with the test as I rode some back when and they were quite my cup of tea. Not their fault.
