Artful Investment babies tend to have great personalities and temperments. My mare is out of him and she’s very mellow, and eager to please.
My boy is a Zippo Pine Bar Qh… He has been nothing but a joy and very level headed. Heck a wild turkey ran under his nose last weekend and his reaction was “Oh that was interesting.” If I throw one on my boys up in the saddle he is the best babysitter. If I put someone who knows what they are doing in the saddle then he is ready to go. He has no sale price. I will never find another like him. He aint perfect and has his quirks though.
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I FOUND HIM!!!
The Mace Meister, a/k/a Kitalpha. Owned by Gail Lavoie in Knoxville, TN.
This is the paint stallion I rave about every time this subject comes up - the one that I used to board HRH Avery with. Kitalpha himself has a wonderful temperament and everything I ever saw of his was just plain born broke (but not deadbeats, either). One of his started giving the odd up-down lesson at age 2! I had the opportunity to watch a couple of his growing up, and they were nice heese.
You can check him out on her MySpace page.
I know this post is old but thought I would add in my experience. I acquired a yearing about 4 years ago thinking I was getting a fenominal show horse in the makings to basically deal with problem after problem with him. I worked daily with him and these problems wouldn’t go away. Basically these problems were disrespect for my space, freakwent spooking episodes and striking out at me or anyone who worked with him with fly spray or bathing. Once I had him gelded he did calm down alot but still had his Speratic moments. Once I had trainers involved a whole new episode arose. He started off really well then the spooking episodes began. We worked on controlling him when we knew he would try to dart off or jump sideways by turning backing bending ect to distract him but basically that’s all he would do. After 5 months into training he no longer bolted when spooked but instead when something caught his attenchion he now bucked like a bronc till the rider was off. He would have good days of riding and then episodes like he was bipolar. Someone would mount him from a mounting block and he would at times instantly start bucking. Some times it was at different transitions , trot, walk ,lope. After he threw me and repedivly kicked me i decided to not ride him till this was sorted out. I tried looking for new trainers but no one wanted to deal with his additude once they seen it so he became a pasture ordiment. I have looked up his full sister and have noticed she has gone through alot of owners which made me question to why till I seen this. Both these horses are out of some top horses and maybe the combo together wasn’t right?? I’m not sure but his pedigree consists of
INVITATION ONLY
Salty starlette
Abita chocolate chip
Charlie steps angel.
Also thought to add I had him vet checked for lameness also had his teeth checked and checked his feed and portions, saddle fit bridal fit and tried different bits. He was checked head to toe alot and every person I braught him to said it was his additude. Has anyone else experience a horse like this with similar breeding?
Going back to the same era and I loved Three Bars bred horses. Didn’t like the Leo or Hancock bloodlines. I crossed my Flaming Jet/ Go Man Go stud with my Three Bars (and other lines) mares and they produced the most laid back horses I’ve ever had the pleasure to be around. My stallion, a 16.3 quarter horse who was raced as a 2 yr old, was a sweetheart, he loved attention. When I had the time, which wasn’t nearly often enough, I loved to ride him out in the pasture where the broodmares and foals were. Smoothest gaits I’ve ever sat and he was naturally slow. I mean we never trained him for western pleasure that’s just how he was. That said, when he was raced, he broke out of the gate so hard he once left his jockey behind.
Coming from the reining/cutting side of things, I adore our granddaughters of Doc Olena, they are kind with excellent temperments plus great feet. We have several with Little Peppy on their papers and while once is fine, when he appears twice on the papers they tend to be a bit hotter and more opinionated (not in the least saying they aren’t extremely talented and athletic horses, just maybe not the bombproof type.
that being said, I love the Smart Chic mares crossed on sons of Doc Olena and also Smart Chic/Freckles Playboy mares crossed on our son of Peptoboonsmal.
Gunners are known to be very lazy and “numb” horses, more than happy to take a joke.
When shopping for a horse, there are certainly bloodlines I love but it comes down to the individual horse…i have 2 mares that are full sisters, one is kind and quiet and so safe and easy, the other didn’t get past 90 days of training. She is a bully, pig headed and broncy.
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I’m not sure but his pedigree consists of
INVITATION ONLY
Salty starlette
Abita chocolate chip
Charlie steps angel.
Also thought to add I had him vet checked for lameness also had his teeth checked and checked his feed and portions, saddle fit bridal fit and tried different bits. He was checked head to toe alot and every person I braught him to said it was his additude. Has anyone else experience a horse like this with similar breeding? [/QUOTE]
With the Charlie’s steps angel are you sure that’s the name? I had a Charlie’s step mare but the names were Charlie’s angel lace and Charlie’s out of oil.
If so that mare was great minded. Would test people that knew what they were doing but fantastic with beginners and once the knowledge people convinced her that they could ride. I have a granddaughter of invitation only and have been around her site. Also amazing amazing minded. I said something to a trainer who has her brother that I keep waiting for her to do something bad. Her words were don’t wait. It won’t happen. Trust the good
I have three Doc Olenas. They are all laid back, easy going, and you can leave them in a field for six months and they go right back to work. I have a son of Holidoc, grandson of Smart Chic Olena, and grandson of Docs Quixote.
Yes! I have a 10 year old granddaughter of Doc Olena out of a daughter of Chic that won 103k in cutting…10 year old won over 10k in reining before she was 6…got 4 years off and i brought her back to show again this year…between June 1 and now she has won over 4k. They have the biggest hearts and are so darn gritty!
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Ok I’ve had two horses on the invitation side and two on the Charlie step side. Still own all except for one and she was sold due to too many horses and being a fantastic youth horse who hated being a brood mare. All great minded. I’ve been around Zcc horses and they are great. My opinion would be that your horse is an exception to the rule. And very very well bred
I had an Impressive granddaughter who was amazing, and a Bally Hobo/Bally Beers/QT Poco Streke gelding who was a stinker.
I now have a Halo bred OTTB mare who’s an angel.
You just never know.
ETA: and I bought the gelding BECAUSE of his bloodlines - his sire was known for putting really great temperaments on the ground.
I have owned paint horses and Tbs since 1983. If you can find the bloodline, Robins Scribblers can jump, have brains, and are highly trainable. I believe this is the result of the Scribbles bloodline. Scribbles was known for producing horses with a brain and highly amateur friendly. The Mr. Robin Boy (dam of RS is an own daughter of Mr. Robin Boy) offspring are athletic and smart (a little too much at times). Teresa Cullis crossed her Robins Scribbler mares on TB stallions and had great luck getting some wonderful 3 day eventers.
Another nice stallion was More Toys. Easy going and lovely mover.
Paint horses to steer clear of are the Sacred Indians. They tend to be spooky and brainless. Gambling Man horses needed to be started by this one guy but after that were pretty wonderful.
I have run into a few Only Blue Sky horses out here and they are a bit sketchy.
