Question about congress reining

I’ve been watching the reining at Congress on the live feed today and yesterday, and have two questions for those “in the know.” First, why do riders kick their horses a few times before they ask them for a canter depart, usually from a spin? I don’t want to sound like I am ragging on reiners, but to me it seems like you would just cue for the lead you want, and go.

And secondly, what is with the insanely long reins? Generally speaking they have their reins gathered up pretty short, with the reins just about past the horse’s knees on some of them. It also means that I frequently notice the horses are getting hit in the eye and face with the extra rein when they are doing their spins…

You may not have noticed, but when reiners ask a horse to lope, the use their whole body as an aid and to keep the horse moving where and how fast or slow they want it to go.
Some may just ask and then let the horse do it’s thing, but then you have to again indicate to the horse when you want to change that, if just a bit slower or faster and that little transition the horse may do too much or little, so many now just keep on moving their legs and body with their energy from that telling the horse to keep on moving and how fast or slow as the need to increase or decrease speed presents itself.
Works for that situation, makes the runs smooth all around, just looks odd to those that don’t know to see someone moving their body and legs all along.

The drapey reins, well, the idea in showing reiners is “willingly guided” and the more compliant, soft, light and correct it moves, the higher the score.
To show that they are not guiding the horse, how fine control they have, drapey reins are one way and, like so much else when showing, exaggerating some times may carry the day and some do exaggerate the long reins and horses submission with the very low heads.
That is showing for you, judges are not supposed to fall for that, but if someone riding like that does everything else well, the judges will score them on that and those watching may only see the extremes and think that is what wins and copy it, how fads start.

Split reins do snap around and some times hit a horse’s head.
They have to be long or their weight may not be correct and fly around way too much or may even drop a too short rein at times.
Horses close their eyes and keep on turning when reins happen to come close to their heads.
They barely touch them as they go and hard to avoid some times.

Reining has so much going there and what is judged on is only one part of what the general public will see, as it is about very fine, technical riding.
It took me a while to learn what to watch for, the way horses moved was not relevant, some choppy, some more graceful and other I had learned to go by in other disciplines just doesn’t apply to reining, it has it’s own requirements.

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Bluey – you are so right! When I was in college I worked at a Saddlebred barn --don’t know if they were, but seemed to me to be big-time show people (I was a lowly stall-cleaner). The owner told me a story one time --don’t know if it is true and may have been improved in the telling --about a National Saddlebred show she attended. A big-name successful rider, noticed his boot sole had come loose. He had to be in the class immediately, so put a piece of tape around his boot to hold the sole on. He rode, won the class, and continued his day. The owner said, by the end of the day, almost EVERY rider was riding with a piece of tape around the boot --figuring that it gave the big-name rider some kind of edge in the show ring. And --I suspect --but am not sure that the whole Eventing Helmet Cover brim flipped up look, was inspired by one or two elite riders putting their covers on in haste . . .now it’s a “thing.” Seems even catalog pictures show the flipped up brim of the helmet cover.

I’ll bump my horse with my calves before or during certain maneuvers to create momentum. Whether I’m going to do a lope departure or a turn around, I need energy. There are penalties attached to trotting when the pattern calls for a lope, either from a stop or walk, and a poor spin won’t reflect well on the score card. All the checks, plus and minuses, and penalties can really make a difference even if they appear minor on paper. A title can be won or lost on a half point. Not everyone ‘bumps’ their horse, though. It’s not really kicking, either, or shouldn’t be.

The draped reins are, in part, intended to showcase willingness as Bluey mentioned above. A horse that will guide between the hands, on a looser rein, and check when the rider picks up will generally appear more willing than a horse on a tighter rein, being managed through direct rein, and bracing when the rider goes to check.

Head carriage is a style thing, but an unbiased judge shouldn’t be marking based on that alone. A low head is not an indicator of a horse being better trained or more willing per se (lots of horses “hide” in their chest), and most of the guys I ride with don’t get hung up on it. It may have been Bob Avila, or someone of that ilk, who covered the topic before. In essence, he said at some point or another a big name rider won a big title with a low headed horse and similarly to the duct tape story above, people suddenly bought into that being the new standard or edge.

The long reins, on occasion, do come around through some maneuvers and tap the horse. I ride with 8’ reins, and if I went and chopped them 2’ shorter they’d probably be candidates for the trash. They’re weighted, heavily oiled, and have a certain feel to them. I’ve ridden with lighter or shorter reins, and they’re a pain. They feel poor in your hands, they turn in or curl, and bounce around. I find them more of hindrance than anything.

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I am not talking about the draped reins, that I understand. What I am wondering about is the extra length of rein behind the rider’s hands, if that makes sense. Some of the extra rein goes down past the horse’s knee, and many times during the spins I see this extra rein hitting the horse in the face, just about eye level. Seems like a health and safety hazard to me, but a good chunk of the riders are riding with super long reins.

It is traditional for Western split reins to be extra long and romal style reins to be joined with the long romal added. Always thought that was traditionally a good way to have extra leather available to double as a lead rope, crude hobbles, a quirt or whatever else might be needed or break out in remote country. Don’t forget the Western horse ground ties with the reins as well. Ropers and games riders don’t use them, incidentally, they’d be in the way for that job.

Far as the canter depart from the spin…have to be careful they don’t go into reverse from that short halt after completing the spin, they need to know they are going forward and straight. Some of then get a little too pattern savvy or incorrectly anticipate what’s next. They can get the gears mixed up if the rider is not clear and patient enough not to let the horse go to the next move until they are sure the horse knows what the next move is. Very common deduction to take a step back or take off crooked into that canter depart.

They don’t really kick them, more of a bump with the calves…most riders legs are too long for a Pony Kick type move on a Reiner. Even mine and I’m only 5’4". You don’t kick them, you bump.

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I feel Bluey and I through our own words, may have covered the why in the question of length. It’s part of the design of the reins.

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The riders bump their horse with their legs to get them to raise their bellies, collect, and get into the proper frame. Once they are in the proper frame, they will have a nice lope departure, which will result in higher points.

The long reins are so that when you are doing various exercises and maneuvers you can completely release the rein on the opposing side and have absolutely no pressure on that side.

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Good points, you said it better then I did.

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findeight and Rtyuu both had more good points!

I also find that through the spins, the outside rein will swing around and from a distance may appear to come in contact with the horse’s face. Typically, when the horse shuts down the weighted end will drop and swing below their neck. I’m sure some horses do, on occasion, get tapped with the end. Not saying it doesn’t happen, I just don’t think a livestream video gives you a good enough perspective to know whether it’s making contact or not.

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Because most standard 7 or 8 foot split reins are simply going to be that long on a 14 hand reining horse.

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They’re getting some serious momentum in those spins. Yes, the reins ends are going to fly around!

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And since the reins are split, they need to be long enough that if you are just standing there and let them rest on the horse’s neck or the saddle horn, they don’t fall to the ground.

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I can feel the difference between 7 and 8 foot reins, let me tell you those 7’ reins feel so short!! The weight and heft are important to the overall feel.

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You may not need that excess rein during the spins, but you will if you have a low headed horse when loping. You have to have excess somewhere to give them that drape.

My horse’s also know to drop their head, lift their back, and relax when I bump with my legs. This brings their attention to me for what I’m going to ask next in a pattern. I want their attention on me and not on everything else.

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My cue for my horses to relax is to bump their bellies with my calves…it allows me to check in with my horse and make sure he is paying attention to me before I start my next maneuver…there are big penalties attached to trotting into a lope when the pattern calls for you to lope off from the stand still or walk…just like you would get a penalty for using your voice in dressage or going off pattern…except off pattern for us is a score of zero. Also using my legs and seat instead of my hand to communicate with my horse looks more willing then holding its face all the time. Just like a dressage rider might also squeeze their legs on their horses…reiners more often use their legs in a more relaxed tapping or bumping manner.

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And you would be surprised at how much your rein length can shift in a pattern…you might have a horse you need to spin tighter reined but then circle him on a full drape…if your reins are shorter in the spin, the excess is going to move around. I find I like even longer reins for showing 2 handed…i know you ask out of genuine concern but I can assure you I have never seen a safety or health hazard due to too much excess rein. :slight_smile:

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Haha. I have no trouble believing this story. Horse showing is so fickle about fads! I have said for years that many of these things are just an in spite of win and then voila everyone is doing it and the poor judges have no choice but to pin some of these things.

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And the extra bite is needed as counterbalance on split reins. Short length split reins are easier to lose.

Reiterating what others have said. I bump with my calf to “check in” with my horse, and with my heel to round them up to step off with impulsion.

Roseymare --do you remember the short-lived (thank goodness!) squat duck-run Showmanship kids did for a couple of years? Someone thought his/her horse would show better if horse trotted with it’s head lower, but didn’t want points deducted for a tight shank pulling down – Since the horses are trained (ours are anyway or were) to keep the horse eye level with the handler shoulder (that way a short child is in the same position relative to the horse that a tall child is) --some exhibitor started to do a squat run --the horse will then trot with it’s head lower!!! --clearly one or two kids (probably with the most fabulous horses) won having done a squat run --and suddenly every kid in halter and showmanship is running along looking like a duck! After a year or so there were FINALLY articles in the horse magazines by judges saying how much they disliked seeing kids squat and run and it seems to have faded from the show ring. We still see it in 4-H now and then --but not nearly as much. I still think there’s too much “dancer pose” in Showmanship --I like to see shoulders on the same vertical plane with hips --but many, many successful exhibitors do an extreme back arch --good posture is one thing, but standing like a circus performer seems forced --and I think takes away from the entire picture of a calm, attentive horse, when the handler is standing so awkwardly.

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