Why thank you, wateryglen. I hope so, too!
Technical note, the term hunt servants has been out of style (non pc) for years. Hunt staff, please. But even before the pc term change, it is more correct to say that hunt caps are traditionally worn by hunt staff, whether professional (‘servants’) or amateur.
well thanks for clarifying Beverly cause I was seriously scratching my brain trying to figure out what a “hunt servant” is ;). I haven’t been around the hunting world long enough to be aware of this outdated term.
How foxhunting influenced Eventing…
For Wilfred and Aijerene whom IIRC stated no one has been able to link the history of Eventing to foxhunting. Here you go…
Quoted from Denny Emerson on another thread in the eventing forum
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It`s impossible to overestimate the importance of the foxhunting influence on “old” eventing.
Bill Steinkraus, no less, told me that it was the foxhunting fraternity that saved eventing after the disbanding of the world`s cavary regiments, post WW2.
When I started eventing in 1962, all the leadership of USCTA was involved in some way with hunting. Mackay-Smith, Ayer, Clark family, Semmes, Harris, Coles, Hoffman, Guest, and HUNDREDS of others.
Badminton, 1949, founded by a MFH.
And therefore a tie-in with racing over jumps, which all the USET riders of my era did.
Plus any number of foxhunting people who rode in the Vt 100 mile trail ride, Perkins, Harper, Haight, Mackay-Smith, Lana Du Pont Wright.
These were people STEEPED in knowing how to get horses FIT, and STEEPED in breeding, raising and using the thoroughbred galloping horse.
As foxhunting got squeezed out by development, so did its influence on eventing, and so now we have the short format."
Thanks for the reiteration, LookinSouth. I did see that in the other thread, but thanks for cross posting it here in case I missed it elsewhere.
Yes, and as I mentioned in the original thread in the eventing forum, the Rolex Kentucky 3-Day also was founded by foxhunters. The MFH who started Badminton and is mentioned but not named above also was identified in my previous post on the eventing thread, was the Duke of Beaufort, who is regarded as the preeminent foxhunter. I guess you missed it, but now that’s at least two of us who have been able to provide you with the information linking foxhunters to the establishment and maintenance of eventing (and more than two, if you count Emerson, Steinkraus, etc.).
The rest of my original post in the other thread was about foxhunting’s strong historical link to the military, in response to a posted assertion (possibly by Ajierene?) that the military “only” foxhunted if they were rich officers and not because of any military value the sport gave them-- an assertion my own study of the history of foxhunting and the military shows to be untrue. Historically, the military saw a great deal of value in foxhunting as beneficial both to men and to horses. On a similar note, I read recently of a special program that teaches soldiers hunting (as in stalking, not foxhunting) skills to apply to combat situations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I noted with some interest that the skills the military officers felt the stalking class gave their men was very similar to the skills military leaders traditionally felt foxhunting gave officers, including a familiarity with how to use land effectively and a keen sense of observation.
Who started Rolex? The only information I could find was that it is sponsored by Rolex watch company.
What other books and articles can you offer to learn more about the histories of fox hunting and eventing and how they are linked?
There is also a great post by subk, who started a thread on what people know about the link, but it died after only one reply. It is in the eventing section.
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More often than not, only members with colors are allowed to wear brown tops.
I show (Hunters) in my black patent tops (and yes I have my colors). My MFH has assured me its correct and I always hope to meet other fox-hunters this way :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
Only male members awarded their colours are allowed to wear calf tops to their boots. Women awarded their colours wear patent tops.
Unless they are staff required by MFH to wear scarlet…which means white breeches for most hunts, which means calf tops.
But actually when awarded my colors I didn’t ever bother with the patent tops. Plain black dress boots are still correct with a basic melton.
did anyone else read this whole thing, and then realize it’s from 2008 ?
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did anyone else read this whole thing, and then realize it’s from 2008 ?[/QUOTE]
Don’t worry Tapperjockey, it wasn’t wasted effort-hunting is timeless!
I just did… but then thought it was quite timely really, since someone had been talking on H/J about how they had a pair of custom boots that was too short and the company suggested that she put a piece of patent leather at the top. I kept thinking that that wouldn’t be right, unless she’d earned her colors.
It’s not like y’alls attire changes with any great frequency. :lol:
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It’s not like y’alls attire changes with any great frequency. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Too true. Good thing too, I spend enough just trying to be traditional, I can’t imagine what it would cost to be trendy!
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Don’t worry Tapperjockey, it wasn’t wasted effort-hunting is timeless![/QUOTE]
true true… I can’t believe I didn’t notice the date though, until the end lol.
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Page 5 of Horse Country’s catalogue?
http://horsecountrylife.com/catalog/4/5.swf
They call it a shadbelly, and I am not familiar enough with American terminology to know if that is incorrect when referring to a men’s jacket.[/QUOTE]
This… I want one!!! 
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Who started Rolex? [/QUOTE]
Wicki history; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolex_Kentucky_Three_Day#The_History_of_the_Rolex_Kentucky_Three_Day_Event
Actually, what Wikipedia doesn’t seem to tell you is that Edith Conyers (yup, a foxhunter) was instrumental in getting ‘Rolex’ going. More about her at:
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Actually, what Wikipedia doesn’t seem to tell you is that Edith Conyers (yup, a foxhunter) was instrumental in getting ‘Rolex’ going. More about her at:
http://www.sidelinesnews.com/new/2007/5q-foxhunting.html[/QUOTE]
That is what I was looking for. The Rolex Eventing site just states that Rolex sponsors it. Wikipedia just states that the EEI started it, and EEI site just states that they started it - no people mentioned.
It sounds like she was an integral player in getting the World Championships to the Kentucky Horse Park. She sounds like a very interesting lady!
