Just reading a thread in here about what to wear to a schooling show, and spotted the ‘no stock tie’ thing a couple of times.
So you wear plan wrap-neck/ratcatcher type shirts? Is there a reason for no stock ties? It surprised me as it is traditional hunting (“real” hunting :)) wear.
Stock ties require stock pins to my knowledge which can stab a rider through the neck if they fall off.
Just regular ratcatchers in hunters or wrap collars
[QUOTE=ElisLove;7645200]
Stock ties require stock pins to my knowledge which can stab a rider through the neck if they fall off.
Just regular ratcatchers in hunters or wrap collars[/QUOTE]
This is surprising. I always thought the purpose of a stock tie was to make a sling or bandage if needed out in the hunt field. I have never heard of anyone being injured by a stock pin.
You wear stock ties for formal classes like classics and derbies.
Yes, they are worn with a shadbelly with points or vest.
Wearing one to a schooling show would be very seriously overdressing.
I wore one to a school show once because I wanted to have very formal looking pics.
Most of the time I just wear a shirt with a wrap collar and a jacket depending on the weather.
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This is surprising. I always thought the purpose of a stock tie was to make a sling or bandage if needed out in the hunt field. I have never heard of anyone being injured by a stock pin.[/QUOTE]
Which only works and makes sense if you’re using a real stock tie (where the pin is also below the neck), not wearing a stock pin with a ratcatcher collar, which makes no sense at all.
kalidascope, you see stock ties in hunters for classics and derbies, when riders are wearing formal attire, ie, shadbellies. Like high holy day hunting attire versus cubbing attire. Most of the hunter showing attire is closer to cubbing attire.
Stock history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_tie
Proper dress for foxhunting here:
http://www.horsecountrylife.com/catalog/turnout.html
[QUOTE=ElisLove;7645200]
Stock ties require stock pins to my knowledge which can stab a rider through the neck if they fall off.
Just regular ratcatchers in hunters or wrap collars[/QUOTE]
:lol: In all the years I’ve been riding, I have never heard of this happening. I’ve been riding dressage for the past 15 years, I’ve seen plenty of people fall off at shows, and not once has anyone been stabbed in the neck by her stock pin. When I was a child we wore stock ties in the hunters. Again, plenty of falls and not one stab wound.
we used to wear stockpins with ratcatcher neckbands but then monogramming took off most likely because you can’t lose a monogram like a stock pin and then somehow that got translated into “you can’t wear stockpins because if you fall off it can stab you in the neck” which is hooey considering most stock pins are inexpensive and usually bend before you can even get then through the fabric LOL. Now many of the shirts have wrap around collars. Dressage riders and event riders usually wear stock ties during dressage phase when they wear jackets. NO stock ties w/ out jackets; and as other posters mentioned stock ties are worn in formal classes and ladies side-saddle
Fashions come and fashions go and stock ties as a fashion in the show ring went away with canary breeches! yes, correct formal attire but regular classes are not considered formal so “ratcatcher” is it. One thing for sure about stock ties, so many who do wear them for dressage need a lesson in how to tie them correctly if they are not the already tied version! Stocks are supposed to lie neatly, not poufed up flowing over the lapels! (pet peeve!) 
Convenience.
I’m going to go with the whole, they look absolutely ridiculous. Tradition is important, yes but it’s also nice not to be dying in 100 degree weather and looking like I stepped out of a US colonial history book.
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Which only works and makes sense if you’re using a real stock tie (where the pin is also below the neck), [/QUOTE]
With a real stock tie, the pin goes THOUGH the KNOT, as well as the loose ends.
Definitely NOT “below the neck”.
I have NEVER heard of anyone being stabbed by falling with a stock pin.
Stabbing yourself putting it in, yes. But never from falling.
They just went out of fashion when people started monograming chokers.
Show hunter attire is a fashion issue. Nothing else. And stock ties are out of fashion for the hunter ring unless you are in formal attire for a classic or a derby wearing a shad belly. Will a judge penalize you? No. Will you look out of fashion? Yes. And, FYI, the wrap collar shirts are lovely–convenient, simple, and cool for summer showing.
In the hunt field stock ties are worn so that they can be used as a bandage, sling, etc. The large pin it is secured with could also be used to secure that bandage or sling. It’s pretty rare for a stock tie to be put into service like this, but it does occasionally happen. At a show grounds, you’d never have this need. So there is no practical reason to need/want to wear one. Also, I’ve never heard of anyone getting stabbed by a stock pin, frankly there are about 1000 other weird bad things that are more likely to happen to someone in a fall.
Show hunters may have its origin as a place for people to show off their field hunters, but those days are long gone and there’s no point belaboring it. I show at rated shows and also hunt, and there are few things in my tack and attire that go both places except my helmet and hairnet. For hunting I use a different bridle (flat noseband and browband), a different bit (more severe for control in a field of galloping horses), a hunter breastplate, a different saddle (my show saddle doesn’t have d-rings on it to attach a sandwich case), different boots (heavier and more durable for the hunt field), a different shirt (usually a turtleneck under a stock tie), a wool vest, different jackets (100% wool of varying patterns and weights), heavier weight breeches, string or brown leather gloves, etc. I generally don’t hunt my show horses either.
Show hunter attire is a fashion issue. Nothing else. And stock ties are out of fashion for the hunter ring unless you are in formal attire for a classic or a derby wearing a shad belly. Will a judge penalize you? No. Will you look out of fashion? Yes. And, FYI, the wrap collar shirts are lovely–convenient, simple, and cool for summer showing.
In the hunt field stock ties are worn so that they can be used as a bandage, sling, etc. The large pin it is secured with could also be used to secure that bandage or sling. It’s pretty rare for a stock tie to be put into service like this, but it does occasionally happen. At a show grounds, you’d never have this need. So there is no practical reason to need/want to wear one. Also, I’ve never heard of anyone getting stabbed by a stock pin, frankly there are about 1000 other weird bad things that are more likely to happen to someone in a fall.
Show hunters may have its origin as a place for people to show off their field hunters, but those days are long gone and there’s no point belaboring it. I show at rated shows and also hunt, and there are few things in my tack and attire that go both places except my helmet and hairnet. For hunting I use a different bridle (flat noseband and browband), a different bit (more severe for control in a field of galloping horses), a hunter breastplate, a different saddle (my show saddle doesn’t have d-rings on it to attach a sandwich case), different boots (heavier and more durable for the hunt field), a different shirt (usually a turtleneck under a stock tie), a wool vest, different jackets (100% wool of varying patterns and weights), heavier weight breeches, string or brown leather gloves, etc. I generally don’t hunt my show horses either.
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we used to wear stockpins with ratcatcher neckbands but then monogramming took off most likely because you can’t lose a monogram like a stock pin and then somehow that got translated into “you can’t wear stockpins because if you fall off it can stab you in the neck” which is hooey [/QUOTE]
This. The “you could get stabbed” is the silliest thing excuse I’ve ever heard. Maybe it has happened a few times, but not enough that it’s this big safety issue. They just aren’t in fashion.
I hate stock ties. But yes, it is pretty hilarious that they are what you wear in dressage but not for hunters.
I’d like to see them gone forever in all disciplines.
[QUOTE=BeeHoney;7645992]
In the hunt field stock ties are worn so that they can be used as a bandage, sling, etc. The large pin it is secured with could also be used to secure that bandage or sling. It’s pretty rare for a stock tie to be put into service like this, but it does occasionally happen. At a show grounds, you’d never have this need.[/QUOTE]
Personal experience (at a Horse Trials rather than a show, but still):
I fell off at a jump, and separated my shoulder. Was seen by the EMT whosiad I should go and see a doctor on Monday.
I had had a separated shoulder before, and knew that a lot of moving around would make it worse. So I got out my (for dressage) stock and stock pin, and made a sling.
Yes, I could have done it with a tail bandage, or any number of other things in my trailer, but the stock tie was the simplest to turn into a sling.
So I would not quite say “NEVER”.
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So I would not quite say “NEVER”.[/QUOTE]
I stand corrected
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