Haha and what, you think ALL the USA breeders of quality warmblood horses had the time or money to travel and train under VDL, Zangersheide or Paul Schockemohle? Be realistic instead of critical. Even if you have trained under anyone mentioned above, why not make your posts knowledgeable for us inexperienced or newer breeders?
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Oh gosh don’t jump on me for not posting links. I don’t want to be the bad guy.
If you search on any of the warmblood sale sites for Quinar offspring it shows up in more than 1/2 of his offspring. Yes it’s my personal opinion. I love Quidam though… Nabab might be available frozen but I think he throws ugly heads. Yes I’m picky. 
Trying to find other options. Anyone use Quantum?? How are Quite Easy offspring scoring? Verdi or Quasimodo z?[/QUOTE]
Nabab needs a VERY pretty mare if you care about looks…but she also has to be standing right next to him, because last time it was tried, he didn’t freeze well enough to conceive foals in North America.
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Haha and what, you think ALL the USA breeders of quality warmblood horses had the time or money to travel and train under VDL, Zangersheide or Paul Schockemohle? Be realistic instead of critical. Even if you have trained under anyone mentioned above, why not make your posts knowledgeable for us inexperienced or newer breeders?[/QUOTE]
As an inexperienced/newer breeder, Reece is EXACTLY the sort of person whose advice and opinions you should consider seriously. He does not suffer fools gladly, but he sure knows of what he speaks.
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Haha and what, you think ALL the USA breeders of quality warmblood horses had the time or money to travel and train under VDL, Zangersheide or Paul Schockemohle? Be realistic instead of critical. Even if you have trained under anyone mentioned above, why not make your posts knowledgeable for us inexperienced or newer breeders?[/QUOTE]
My post certainly provided knowledge for you when I relayed to you I had personally been in the presence of around 300 Quinar children and that your neck assessment regarding his children was errant. You didn’t listen…
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As an inexperienced/newer breeder, Reece is EXACTLY the sort of person whose advice and opinions you should consider seriously. He does not suffer fools gladly, but he sure knows of what he speaks.[/QUOTE]
Thank you Mara ! I don’t know it all for sure but I know what I know.
I think I have a small crush on Reece.
That’s all, now back to the discussion.
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I think I have a small crush on Reece. That’s all, now back to the discussion.[/QUOTE]
Flattery will get you everywhere ! LOL
I was so excited to see a thread referring to Quidam. I would love to find a horse for myself and have my family’s barn breed their TB mares to a QDR stallion. Particularly having ridden horses from this line, they happened to have wonderful hearts besides just athletic ability. Hoping not to be taken too critically.
Slightly off topic are there any QDR sons which have made successful crosses with TB’s, specifically eventing prospects.
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I was so excited to see a thread referring to Quidam. I would love to find a horse for myself and have my family’s barn breed their TB mares to a QDR stallion. Particularly having ridden horses from this line, they happened to have wonderful hearts besides just athletic ability. Hoping not to be taken too critically.
Slightly off topic are there any QDR sons which have made successful crosses with TB’s, specifically eventing prospects.[/QUOTE]
Denny Emerson is quite found of Beaulieu’s Coolman and has several offspring in his string. I know he has passed but perhaps their is frozen?
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I know that you think I was jumping on you about the “embarrassing” comments, but that aside, you never answered my question about what sort of information you were looking for.
Do you have a specific mare that you wish to breed to a Quidam son, so that some of the more knowledgeable breeders can talk about what may work with certain lines, or are you more interested about general breeding knowledge that you can use some day when you breed in the future? This specification really is important if you want to get more focused information from posters here. Since the mare is extremely important in breeding as well, which Quidam son to be used will be influenced by what you wish to produce as well as what blood you already have in your mare. I know that you know this already, but people experienced in horse breeding do not tend to like to deal with hypotheticals, at least here on this board.
If you really just want to have a conversation about people’s experiences with sons of Quidam you might have just asked that instead of setting this thread off on a negative tone from the OP by throwing your comment about Quinar out there the way you did. Instead, the way that you worded your OP really seemed like you were coming here with no knowledge, looking to pick a fight instead of to gain information. This was corroborated when you mentioned that posting links would “embarrass” the farms with the foals (and then went on to post a link to one of the preeminent holsteiner breeding farms in the USA in WT Farm, who undoubtedly put a lot of thought into using Quinar and were proud enough of the resulting offspring to post them on their website). I am sorry if you think that this got off topic or people are picking on you, but I agree with the folks that mentioned you should really think about how you word things in the future. Holsteiners are a passion for me, so of course I will defend those who breed them and the horses that have been approved for breeding both here and in Germany from commentary that does not seem to have any evidentiary support other than personal taste.
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Many stallions are difficult and/or produce difficult children. Doesn’t deter me unless they are dangerous which isn’t the case. Baloubet produces non Ammy friendly horses and he was the #1 show jumping sire for 2012.
Yes hello, I DON’T have experience with any Quidam sons…hence this thread!
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“Difficult” = “Dangerous” and often “impossible to ride” for many amateurs. The fact that you don’t realize this speaks volumes about your lack of experience.
it just occurred to me, you should look up beaulieu’s coolman. i’ve had the pleasure of working with a few of his children, and they have all grown into beautiful, pleasant-minded and scopey individuals. he’s a quidam son, and his stud fee is very affordable, IMHO. i know several of his children off-hand, one that boards at the farm i used to work at (he is a BIG boy - 17h+, beautiful mover though), four others that are mares and are on the smaller side (15.3hh, my size preference) and a stallion son of his. the stallion was very gelding-esque. one thing i noticed though, you cannot push them through things - they will think you are being unfair. but they are still lovely, amazing horses and i would love to have one someday. they also combine best with a lighter, smaller and compact mare - coolman is very big and with a tall mare he may be too big for most ammies. my favorite to see is coolman out of nice tb mares, but that is just preference and many more experienced people may scoff at me!
http://www.fermebeaulieufarm.com/stallions/beaulieus-coolman/
ETA: nvm! see cover girl’s post!
I have a 3 yr old by Quite Easy, Quoi de Neuf, Neuf is what I call him.
I am an ammy, but I ride a lot and have a moderate amount of experience bringing along youngsters. I got Neuf at Hilltop in MD. He is quite nice, but I believe his dam was an old style Hanoverian, and rather bulky, and he is definitely stout.
Attitude wise? I am rather liking him. He has popped the biggest splints I’ve ever seen, but has never been lame on them. I have resigned myself to my first horse ever without ‘clean’ legs.
He is super friendly, a bit mischievous, mouthy as can be, but I started him under saddle for real in April of this year and I am often riding him without a ground person there, which to me, says a lot about how nice he is. I broke both arms on a young horse many years ago and tend to be a bit nervous when they are first under saddle.
Due to those splints, I will not start him over any kind of fences until next year. And the honest truth is, I’m chicken these days, but if he makes me feel comfortable, maybe I will start jumping more. But, if not, he will be my dressage and trail horse.
Link for posting: http://www.irealm.org/horseplay/getimage.php/med/215/IMG_9164.JPG
There he is a couple of weeks ago.
Beaulieu’s Coolman and Beaulieu’s Quissini
Unfortunately Beaulieu’s Coolman is no longer alive and there is no frozen from him. I have several of his offspring on my farm as well, and they are lovely scopey horses.
However, Beaulieu’s Quissini (Quidam de Revel/Cassini I) is available fresh and frozen at www.fermebeaulieufarm.com . Denny Emerson is very high on this stallion to produce top event horses. I myself have ridden him and he is a lovely kindhearted stallion. Gorgeous mover and a phenomenal jumper. His semen is of great quality. I have used him 3 times on my 1/2 tb/Oldenburg mare and have not been at all disappointed. He added bone and a stronger hind leg as I was looking to improve this in this mare. His oldest offspring are 3 and are proving to be very easy and talented undersaddle.
You can find offspring of his on the Ferme Beaulieu site as well.
We still have a few Coolman offspring in the 2-4 yr old range, but those are the last ones ever.
wow! i had no idea he had passed… what a shame! i always wanted to breed to him, i just never had a mare… i couldn’t afford a baby already on the ground unfortunately, but i do love them. do you know the nature of his passing? it’s funny you mentioned denny, a few of the quidam horses i know are through him.
Sadly Coolman had an injury to his shoulder that wasn’t responding/healing well, and the only fair thing to do was to euthanize him.
I own his son Coolman Jr, who is a carbon copy of his Daddy.
that is so heartbreaking to hear! my condolences for everyone who knew him…
I agree with whoever said tell the board about the mare you want to breed in order to get better stallion advice…
Also Novalis is standing at Solomon Farm in western SD currently I believe: http://www.solomonfarm.com/news.html I’m wondering when he started breeding after reading Dreamscape’s offspring report?..
Novalis was offered when young but was sent off to Europe for awhile and when he came back was injured and disappeared for awhile so he may have some older children and then a signficant gap in time when he had few or no foals.
We have frozen from the following stallions with QDR in them…
Baltic VDL (Quaprice x Jus de Pomme)
Crespo VDL (Canturo x Cantillo x QDR) a bit back but my favorite stallion these days!
Glasgow vh Merelnest (Nabab de Reve x Darcos)
Hold up Premiere (Narcos II x QDR)
Kathy
