Please tell me about the lines from Rubenstien and Rotspon. My fillies grandsire on her sires side is Rotspon. Just curious about experiences others have with offspring and what disaplines they excell in. I just started researching them.
Both of my “R” line youngsters, a yearling by Rubignon/Rubinstein and a two year old by Redwine/Rotspon have really nice, calm, and friendly temperaments. Both have excellent gaits and pretty, correct conformation. The other Rubignon youngsters I’ve seen have been very similar and he seems to give very pretty heads as a bonus!
My filly is by Redwine as well. She is 3 yrs old now, and though I do not think she will be very big (15 hands right now) She is lovely to ride. She seems to want to be a dressage pony! And she has a beautiful head thanks to her sire!
You’ll probably get a varied response as Rotspon is known to produce a wide variation in type. However, I can give you my experience! I have an Elite Hano mare that is Rotspon-Davignon. She is heavier in type than her dam, around 16.2h, great conformation (topline: neck, saddle position, loin) but a little course in her head (with HUGE ears). Very good feet and legs.
She has a good temperament (pretty consistent for Rotspon), three very solid gaits (scored at her MPT walk-9, trot-8, canter-9) and is doing well despite having me as her rider:) We average mid 60s at 2nd.
She is a dominant mare and can be a bit sensitive to ride when in season. Not so bad that she needs drugs, just can’t use your outside leg as strongly. We compete Second Level, hoping to get my Bronze next year with her. We also do a lot of trail riding, even camping in the Virginia Mountains. Hence, she is a pretty solid mare.
She has produced one daughter, by Sinatra Song, that is just starting under saddle. She is a spitting image of her dam and is proving to have equally as strong gaits.
I was lucky enough to meet Rotspon in person this summer. He looks amazing and was super easy to handle, even during the height of breeding season. I also saw some mares of his go through the mare shows in Germany and although they had variation in type (short to tall, heavier to lighter type) they all showed good solid gaits and were well conformed.
here is a link to my mare:
http://blumefarm.com/mymares/emroseblumehano.html
here is a link to pics of Rotspon this summer (scroll down):
http://blumefarm.com/breederscourse2012.html
I too have a Redwine… Not at ALL talking up Redwine (thats a whole other story, ugh) but mine is my first baby ever. He has been wonderful to work with and I’ve honestly never had a problem with him ever. He is very correct and like others have said quiet, friendly, and his head is very pretty! I cant wait to see what he can do, because as of right now, we havent even seen him move to his max potential yet because he must play once we leave. All he does is eat and sleep! Must be tired from growing like a weed!
I’ve dealt with 2 Rotspon daughters. One, mature, 8 yr old well broke mare, VERY sensitive. Not an amateur ride at all. Eventually got her to where we were scoring 70% at 2nd, but very difficult.
Other was a 3 yr old, unstarted that I was asked to assist in starting, and ended up nearly severely injuring me. It was the worst fall I’ve taken in 8 years of starting young horses. She went to a cowboy, and never really lost the violent buck. I’ll never deal with another Rotspon youngster again.
I’ve had three “R” line babies. One by Rubino Bellissimo (Rubinstein), and two by Redwine (Rotspon), all out of very different mare. All three have had the SAME temperament. Easy, from day one… just EASY. Very willing, very calm.
When I think “R” I usually thing good walk & canter, good mind, and “pretty”. The trot seems to develop once under saddle… just a general observation 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cover_magic/
Here is a link to some pictures of her, along with my wonderful rescue horse Cover Magic!
And just an fyi, in no way am I promoting Gray Fox Farm or any of her stallions. I am just proud of my girl!
What a pretty girl!
Gosh I hate that one of you had such a bad problem with Rotspon foals. I’ve had several Rotspons & they are all wonderful. One is hotter than the others but her owner adores her & wouldn’t part with her for anything. I’m keeping one of my fillies just so I can keep this wonderful temperment in my herd.
I’ve always been impressed with the wonderful work ethic of the R-line & especially Rotspons. They are truly people pleasers. Just today I almost had to stop mowing my pasture because the Rotspon filly wanted to follow the tractor around.
Also Rotspon has turned out to be a wonderful broodmare sire.
He can be all over the place with size but he almost always brings a great neck & super loose topline.
I have a Rascalino mare who’s now four. She has three excellent gaits, a GREAT brain, and is very pretty. She handles just about everything well and her Fielding filly from this year is turning out to be a carbon copy of her – and was named top filly at her AHS inspection, which was nice. My plan is getting her Elite status, but, because she puts up with me and my riding, I may have to bypass that and nominate her for sainthood! :winkgrin: Seriously, though, I’d be perfectly happy breeding R-line horses for the rest of my life.
You can see more about my mare under “Raleska” on my website.
How big a problem is there with cribbing in the Rotspons?
I have seen some number of Rotspon offspring - both foals and riding horses, and have liked most of them a great deal. They do range in size and type - some are small, some are tall, some are chunky, some are more rangy. The ones I have seen have mostly been quite correct, attractive, and with very nice ammy friendly temperaments. They tend to not have huge gaits - often a Rubinstein trait - but they are usually pretty correct and the trot especially develops better once they are under saddle. Because they often don’t have a ton of knee action, hunter folks like them, but they can and do also develop into nice dressage horses.
Regarding the temperaments/rideability - I do know of one who was somewhat tricky in the bridle, but we could never figure out if it was the horse or the rider. This horse did dump his rider a few years ago and she suffered a very serious TBI as a result (they had to remove a portion of her skull to alleviate pressure from brain swelling, and she was in the hospital and heavy-duty convalescent care for quite some time).
Other than that one horse, though, I would say most of the ones I have seen looked rather easy and pleasant to work with. I would use him in a heartbeat.
I have bred one Rascalino and two Rubignons. I am with Hansiska, I would be perfectly happy breeding “R” line horses forever The Rascalino won in hand as a youngster and is now an Elite Mare with AHS. She had her first foal for her owner this year, a black Widmark and is going back undersaddle when he is weaned. Ragon surprised everyone with 8.5’s thru the jump chute at her MPT. Very atletic gal and only 16 hands. Three very good gaits. Head looks just like Rotspon, but suits her. Maybe a bit spicy w/ the Bolero blood from her dam and the Velton Third from her sire, but sensible and willing. Now the Rubignon’s are pocket pets, sooo sweet. I have a 2012 filly and had a 2010 colt that is still intact. Rubeus’ owners just love everyting about him say they want to clone him, lol! Rue is pretty tall as a two year old, beautiful head, quite the stunner. My 2012 Rubignon is my pettie princess. Very pretty dishy face. Her three gaits are gallop like mad, leap in the air and sleep flat out in the grass. I am hoping she shows a little trot at her inspection this weekend, I would love to see it!! :lol:
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Several of the Rotspon offspring I have seen are cribbers. One is a fairly mild addict and only needs a cribbing strap in his stall - he never cribs outside, but he gets LOTS of turn-out time. The other two I know of are serious cribbers, and wear a strap even when they are outside. These two don’t get as much turn-out time, but I do not know if it would make a difference or not. Once they learn to do it, it is a hard habit to break.
The Rubinstein line, and Rotspon is no exception, is well known for passing on their excellent temperament and rideability. There will always be exceptions especially since this type of stalliion also gets its share of “difficult” mares in hopes for him to correct! We have had 4 foals by him in the past and all had super minds, very good gaits with good use of the back. All were correct and had no vices. Easy to start and definitely amateur friendly. Real people horse’s! So basically, good riding horse models.
This year we had a Rubginon (Rubenstein son) filly out of our Feiner Stern/Diamont/Darwin Elite mare.
In 20 years of breeding I have never seen a sweeter, easier, more cooperative foal. And gorgeous with great movement.
I have a Romanov filly this year, my first time breeding to an R stallion. This filly is the easiest foal I have ever had in over 20 years of breeding; she has the temperament of a Golden Retriever. I adore her, and plan on breeding to an R stallion next year.
I have built my whole breeding program around R line, with two foundation mares (one by Rubinstein I, the other by his son Rohdiamant). I have kept the best daughters of those two mares. Others of my mares that had no R-line were sometimes bred to R line stallions. Over the years I have had a Rotspon, Rascalino, Royal Prince, Regazzoni. I breed for temperament along with outstanding gaits and I believe the R line in many of my mares has helped keep the great minds when bigger movement was added.
I also want to say that my Rubignon filly Rowan Oake LL is one of the two sweetest, most cooperative, trainable fillies we’ve produced to date (the other sweetheart was by Landkoenig who is also known to give super temperament).
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