Racing 101

[Parysa]

Ok, glad to know I’m not an idiot! That’s what I figured it meant, but wanted to make sure. Thank you!

[Sing_Mia_Song]

Tattoo Research

Per request, here is the direct link to the tattoo research page at the Jockey Club Information Systems website: https://www.tjcis.com/order_reports.asp

You can call them, too. (800) 333-1778. They are open Monday-Friday 8 am - 5 pm eastern time.

They will try as many numbers as you can come up with until you get a match.

[vineyridge]

New question that I’m pretty sure hasn’t been addressed.

Do horses have to pay entry fees to race? What would the range likely be from a 2,500 claiming race up to a million dollar purse? How much would a colt pay to be nominated to the Kentucky Derby (say) and at what age? I know the owners can supplement nominations for a hefty fee, but is that necessary in non GI races?

Do tracks ever pay horses appearance fees to come and race?

[Linny]

Most races cost nothing to enter. Stakes races generally have nomination fees, entry fees and starting fees. These moneys (“stakes”) are added to the purse.
Here’s a link to NYRA’s fall stakes book.
http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbHorsemenAreaDownloadAction.cfm?sn=SB-BEL-20060809-0

The MacArthur requires a $100 nomination fee. It costs $500 to enter and $500 to start. If you enter but scratch you get to keep the last $500. By the time you run it costs $1100. If you missed the cutoff for nominating, you may pay a supplemental nomination fee of $1000 THEN the other costs.

The Derby is a who "other bundle o’ laundry. Nominations for all 3 Triple Crown races are due early in the 3yo year. One fee covers the nomination to all three. I think it’s about $500 and usually severalhundred arenominted. There are supplementals taken, I think some time in late March for about $5k. Then it closes. Entry and starter fees are much higher than for most races.

Many times a track will release a list of nominees to a certain race. If you read such a list be aware that it’s not an entry list, just a list of who’s eleigible. Trainers often nominate all over the place to keep options open. Last weekend there were 3 or 4 middle distance grass stakes in the mid Atlantic region. Many horses were nominated to several of them. Trainers wait and see “who goes where” before deciding to eneterand/or start.

[Jessi_P]

In addition to Linny’s post answering your Q I wanted to talk about the cheaper races.

The only “entrance fees” in a cheaper race are not an entry fee per se, but the fee for paying the jockey, or “jock mount.” For bottom races here it is about $50. This is paid to the jockey by the track from $ in the owner’s horseman’s account. The track recoups the jock mounts from the owners. For this reason, many tracks went to a system where each horse (or the first 8 out of 10 here at Mountaineer) earns enough $ in the race to cover the jock mount. This way the track isn’t letting owners of losing horses pile up a big “bill” with unpaid jock mounts. Is that clear or is it confusing?

Used to be only the first 4-5 horses got paid in a race. But now they divide the $ up a bit differently and pay further thru the first 8 of 10 here as I said, to try to avoid an owner owing the track money.

I know I could explain this better, maybe someone else can help me find the words…

Oh, a winning jockey gets 10% of the winners share of the purse - minimum ~$600 here. Of course they have bills to pay out of that $$, a % to their valet (who keeps their tack clean and organized and ready between races), 25% to their agent, and the jocks Guild.

[sarapony]

Ok what is SPR and CPI? I just pulled the equineline on my mare, Retrieve the Gold, and she has an SPR of 66 and a CPI of .9

Never mind, thanks to google, I found my answer

And for those that care her dosage is 11,5,13,1,0 (30) Her DI is 3 and her CD is .87

[vineyridge]

Please, would someone explain the JC’s SPR so I can understand how it might affect breeding decisions. I know it’s some sort of percentage ranking, and it has to do with a horse’s racing performance, but I don’t understand how it’s used–and have forgotten what the S stands for. I read about on the Equineline site, but have no clue about it’s utility.

[Barnfairy]

RESEARCHING YOUR TB / OTTB

The links you’ll need plus helpful tips all in one spot

Accurate Pedigree Look-ups are FREE through both equineline and brisnet

Tattoo Research:

The Jockey Club Now Providing Free Tattoo Identification Services
Look them up here:

https://www.registry.jockeyclub.com/…TOKEN=97775324

You need your JC Interactive (Equineline) account, or to create a free one.

http://www.jockeyclub.com/mediaCenter.asp?story=367

For legible tattoos, an owner can use a free tattoo lookup feature available from The Jockey Club’s website, www.jockeyclub.com, and the Registry homepage, www.registry.jockeyclub.com.

For illegible tattoos or partial tattoos, customer service representatives from the Registry will provide free research of a Thoroughbred’s identity using the information contained in The Jockey Club’s database, including color, markings, and photographs.

Information on procuring identification from illegible or partial tattoos as well as tips for reading lip tattoos and a list of frequently asked questions is available at www.registry.jockeyclub.com.

Alternatively:

@vineyridge

Thoroughbred Racing Protective Bureau.
http://www.trpb.com/

I can’t recommend these guys highly enough for tattoo searches. They are fast, professional, good to deal with, and are the people who put the tattooes on the horses and did a physical description at that time. If you have a partial tattoo, you can photograph possible identifying marking on your horse and they will try and match them. They will also correct errors in less than a week.

There is no charge for tattoo research through the TRPB, however, there is a $10 charge for racing history.

@Xctrygirl

How to get replacement Papers for my TB

This will also not be an instant gratification topic!! The things you need right off are:

1.) Knowing who had the paper’s last and them being willing to write a letter stating how they were lost
2.) Bill of sale of the horse to you
3.) 4 color photos showing all markings from the front rear and both sides. If no markings, then a fifth pic is needed for a close up of cowlicks on the face. ( a cowlick is the little hair swirls. Usually beneath the forelock
4.) The duplicate fee of $150

Here’s the website: https://www.registry.jockeyclub.com/…TOKEN=96710297

Pedigrees

1.) www.Pedigreequery.com (Be aware this is a user input site. That means anyone can put a pedigree in and it may not always be correct. But the staff there has tried to fix errors more quickly in an effort to fight off this stigma. Also you need to get the name just exactly as its entered or it won’t find it. If you know the dam’s name I usually start there with tricky named horses)

2.) Breeder’s Cup, Nomination Verification https://nominations.breederscup.com/…orm.cfm?init=1
This is mecca in terms of accurate national and international pedigree searches. The data is accurate and it can show similar names.

Birthdays

1.) The way I do this is kindof sneaky, I go to my DRF watch page (Register for free and you can get email notifications on workouts, entries and results) and when you eter a horse into your watch list, it shows you their actual bday.

Entries, results, Workouts for horses or trainers (Workouts not available by trainers)

Choose any of the Virtual Stable or Watchmail sites available

www.drf.com
www.equibase.com
www.brisnet.com

International Race Records

1.) The coolest site on the web and sadly not a US based site.
www.racingpost.co.uk Free Registration site

You can search for a horse thats run in England here and it will pop up a page of its past perfrmances, who trained it, who it’s related to, how the family has done, What trends it liked and much more.

Here is an example of a horse I owned who was an Irish Tb:
http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/r…orse_id=448569

2.) The Japanese Bloodstock Page
http://www.japan-bloodstock.co.jp/home/en/default.asp

I am still learning my way around this but it’s a lot of cool stuff.

For instance here’s what you get when you fo a Family Table search for Barbaro:
http://www.japan-bloodstock.co.jp/ho…baro_2003c.asp

Race Records

Ok so many sites will charge you a fee for the complete race reecord. And for $5 its worth it. But for $12 maybe not so much. The first thing I do when looking for a horse’s past perfomances is to GOOGLE it!!! Free and easy. So let’s say I wanted to find Lad’s race record. (And this is what I did when I bought him)

I google “Unbridled Lad” (The quotes keep the terms together and narrow the searches to where the words are united)

Ok so I get some results…but we hit a snag. There is a very well known “Unbridled Lad” who is an Australian TB and who actually won a race! But I do find 3-4 races worth of his history. So i have some idea of what he’s done.

Tip If you have a horse with a “normal” name, “Private Account… Fantastic Storm…Genuine Risk” you’ll like have to add the dam or sire’s name to the search. These terms are just used a lot in the real world.

more Google tips: try adding “thoroughbred”, “racing”, "entries’, or “results” to the search to yield better results

As far as the pay sites for Race records, by far the most popular is www.Equineline.com

But lately I have been using www.drf.com because their reports include the Beyer speed figures. Something that I like that you can’t get on Equineline. Also the cost at Drf is $5 and the cost at Equineline is $8 for the same thing but with the Equibase speed figures. I just prefer the Drf. If I want the more complex racerecords I would buy it from Equineline. But for a quick basic to see if a horse has been vanned off etc… Thanks I’ll spend $5.

Videos of Races

1.) Free site: www.calracing.com
They don’t have access to every track nor every race, but its a great place to start.

2.) Pay site: www.racereplays.com

They have now partnered with Equineline.com and you can buy single video replays from them.

I think its just easier to pay nothing and if I really like a horse, go to a track with the replay monitors and watch a race there (if its in the time frame)

OK thats about all I can think of now.

I swear I have thought about starting a business to research people’s Tb’s for them

~Emily

@Sabovee

Just wanted to ad…
I’ve gotten info (and a few pics) of some of my OTTBs from these message boards…

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/ (Information seekers forum)

http://www.thoroughbredchampions.com/forum/ (Whatever happened to forum)

http://nhrexracers.proboards70.com/ (ExRacers - a great BB for OTTBers!)

Also - I’m a member of racereplay.com - I can look and see if your horse is listed before you pay a fee to look - I can also look for photos from this site - THEY MUST BE prior to 2001 and I need the date, track name and race number to look - Pictures are often available for 1st - 3rd place finishes. You can pm me if you like - PLEASE make sure you have all the info above (DATE, TRACK NAME and RACE NUMBER) along with your horses name…

@halo

Another good pedigree site is www.tbhorsepedigree.com Not as many horses (yet) as Pedquery, but is fairly accurate and more horses being added all the time.

@vineyridge

Bill Lathrop’s Conduit Mare theories:
http://www.dimarpublishing.citymaker…ge/1367142.htm

Reines de Course:
http://www.reines-de-course.com/

Female families, TB history, sires, portraits, pictures, all things TB
http://www.tbheritage.com
http://www.bloodlines.net

US Steeplechasing
http://www.steeplestakes.com (not well kept up to date)

Chefs de Race (dosage)
http://www.chef-de-race.com

Alphabetical list of blue hen mares:
http://www.equineinfo.com/horseracing/broodmares.htm

Very interesting article on the X factor Large Heart gene
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Athlete-A…eng/wcopy.html

How to find progeny of racing age out of a specific mare:

@monicabee

There are two ways you could do this:

1. Brisnet.com will provide a produce report - but you have to register for an account and then pay for the report

2. If you go to the pedigreequery.com forums, under information requests, you could ask for someone to look up your mare in their APR (American Produce Report, I think). There are members who have a up-to-date copy, so it should show everything except the last foaling year. They do this as a kindness, so it might take a few days, and be sure to provide your horse’s exact registered name, gender and year of birth, sire and dam if you want to be doubly certain.

If your mare has been through a sale recently, a search online can turn up old catalog pages that might list the info.

Interpreting a catalog style pedigree

[Barnfairy]

Stakes races

excerpted from http://www.gaylevanleer.com/ownership/catalog.htm

About Stakes Races
Of all the races run in North America each year, only about 3% are graded stakes races which offer the highest purses. Winning those stakes races is the dream of every owner because that is, frankly, where the money and notoriety are found. In order to distinguish the quality of the different stakes from each other so that you can compare “apples to apples,” a system was devised to grade the races across the country and around the world by the quality of horses that compete in them each year. The grades of each race are reviewed annually and can be raised or lowered from year to year depending on the quality of horses that have recently competed. The “G” stands for “Graded” in North America and “Group” elsewhere. This system of grading races was only begun in 1974, so older horses that appear in the 3rd dam or further in a pedigree may have won some very important races of their day, but no grading symbols appear. Another recent addition was adding the track code and purse paid to the horse after the name of the stake

[G1] The top races run each year throughout the world

[G2] The next tier of graded/group races

[G3] The lowest tier of graded/group races

Fourth place finishes in graded races in Part I countries 1985 through 1988 are recognized as black-type placed. Beginning in 1989, only 4th placed finishers in Grade 1 races in Part I countries are recognized as black-type placed. Beginning in 1990, 4th placed finishers are not recognized as black-type placed in any race

[L] A “Listed” race has a purse of at least $50,000, may be reviewed for possible [G3] status in the future or has been downgraded from [G3]

[R] Races that have restrictions other than age or sex. For example: horses that have not earned first prize money of a certain amount since a certain date; or horses that passed through a particular sale.

[LR] Listed Races with Restrictions ($50,000 added & up)

[S] Races restricted to horses bred in a particular state

[O] Other Races ($15,000 added - $49,999 added 1985 - 1988) ($20,000 added - $49,999 added 1989), ($25,000 added - $49,000 added or $35,000 guaranteed 1990) - indicated by “O” in 1985 and 1986 only

[OR] Other Races with Restrictions ($15,000 added - $49,999 added 1985 - 1988 ($20,000 added - $49,999 added 1989), ($25,000 added - $49,999 added or $35,000 guaranteed 1990) - indicated by “OR” in 1985 and 1986; from 1987 - 1990 carried with “R” only

[Q] Qualified Races - non-restricted allowance or handicap races in 1985 (only) that have a purse of $30,000 or more - indicated by “Q”.

[N] A stakes race that does not qualify for “black type” because the purse level is too low. Levels are as follows ($14,999 added or less 1985 - 1988) ($19,999 added or less 1989), ($24,999 added or less 1990 to present) - races are listed for informational purposes as white-type races - indicated by “N” or “NR” (if restricted) in 1985 and 1986 only; from 1987 - 1990 carried with “R” only.

[vineyridge]

Alternative free site for pedigrees:
http://www.tesiopower.com/tb/pedigree.aspx

It doesn’t have as many horses as Pedigree Query, and the formatting isn’t as nice, but it offers one more generation and a sibling function.

[texang73]

SPR and CPI?

Hi All,
I have a new question (looked through all the pages, and didn’t see an answer)… I have my new OTTBs race record and have a few questions.

What does SPR=50; CPI=1.5 mean?

He won one race out of four starts: a 6 furlong $23K MSW over a fast track at LAD with a winning time of 1:12:4, splits were :21.68 and :45.30

I am curious, is that good, bad, or ugly time-wise? :lol:

FWIW, he’s General Commander (by Deputy Commander out of Miss Lion King), Chestnut gelding, DOB 5/1/00…

Can you tell I am a proud new mommy? I just got his one race win photo from LAD, so that is fun to have! :yes:

[Barnfairy]

@sarapony;1979182

Ok what is SPR and CPI? I just pulled the equineline on my mare, Retrieve the Gold, and she has an SPR of 66 and a CPI of .9

As explained here: http://www.equibase.com/products/whatislifetimepp.cfm

SPR = Starts Percentile Ranking

A method of comparison developed by The Jockey Club Information Systems, Inc. SPR compares horses based on the following: [LIST=1]

Horses of the same sex (i.e. only males compared to males and females compared to females).

Horses of the same age (i.e. 2 year olds, 3year olds, 4year olds and 5year olds and up).

Horses that race in the same year(s)[/LIST]All three of the criteria must match for the comparison to take place. To calculate a horse's SPR, the horse's average earnings per start are compared to the average earnings per start of like horses (i.e. same sex, age and year(s) record). If a horse's SPR is 80, then it's average earnings per start are greater than 80% of like horses.

CPI = Class Performance Index

An index ranking which is calculated for each year and based on: [LIST=1]

Horses of the same sex (i.e. only males compared to males and females compared to females)

Horses of the same age

Horses racing the same year(s)

Horses racing in the same countries[/LIST] All of the criteria must match for the comparison to take place. To calculate a horse's CPI, the horse's average earnings per start is compared to the average of the average earnings per start of all like horses (i.e. if a horse's CPI is 5, then his average earnings per start is five times greater than the average of all like horses). Note: that this will never be a negative number.

[system]

wow…i don’t even know what those numbers mean!:no:

[AmandaandTuff]

OK, didn’t see this one (but I may have missed it.)

Where can you find pictures of a horse that raced?(Like the winner) Are there any records of this kept by the race tracks, or is it purley between owner and photographer?

[Texarkana]

Win Photos

[QUOTE=AmandaandTuff;2974054]
OK, didn’t see this one (but I may have missed it.)

Where can you find pictures of a horse that raced?(Like the winner) Are there any records of this kept by the race tracks, or is it purley between owner and photographer?[/QUOTE]

I don’t know if this has been addressed in this thread already, either. But to purchase a win photo of your horse, you can contact the track photographer. Call the specific racetrack’s racing office to find out the photographer’s info.

You will need to know:
Your horse’s registered name, the date of the race, and the race number.

Provided the track hasn’t changed photographers since your horse’s win, they should be able to sell you a picture.

[Drvmb1ggl3]

If you scroll up the page you’ll see that it’s addressed. Use the search thread function, it’s pull down menu to the right.

Also, a general forum search would bring up these…

http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=2517429#post2517429
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=2305302#post2305302
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=2851700#post2851700
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=2713315#post2713315

[Mickey_the_Marcher]

ok

[system]

Great job!!!

can i say wowww!!!

SaddleOnline Inc.

[diva4ever]

meds

So this was sort of covered but I would like clarification…I came across my OTTB’s race record and it showed that he raced on bute for 2 years or so, in addition to Lasix. Does that mean he was always racing hurt or was it for an edge (or both)? (ok so I might be a little nieve) I’m actually kind of shocked that they allow them to race with it in their system. I mean if a horse is hurt then it shouldn’t race, right, cause it could get seriously (or fatally) injured? (again, nieve?) (does this mean that he could have potentially serious injuries- he’s a “diamond in the rough” type of boy - but now I’m worried that there could be something serious that we don’t know, although he’s only been off when he got his feet chopped by the farrier).
Also, the record showed that in his last year of racing his med list showed BLA…I know the A is also for clotting so why would he be on Lasix and the other?

Thanks much…

[system]

I really don’t understand what an overlay or underlay is. Can someone help me out on this?