Admitted trolling shouldn’t be tolerated that’s for sure. What if its a genuine new person with a question. Every time Palm Beach posts I can see people being unwilling to help.
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The winners are PB’s, If they don’t win they belong to one of her alters! Instant 100% win percentage. Same with the horses who don’t stand perfectly 100% of the time etc
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I don’t think that Flash44 is PB. Going around accusing everyone in this bb of being Palm Beach doesn’t get us anywhere. Unless the mods want to tell us.
Yes it’s possible. Black horse + 2 copies of cream + dun + roan.
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And the horses who won’t be caught!
And the horses with physical issues that are really training issues!
And the horses who don’t get sufficient groundwork and aren’t “broke” enough to become brain-dead calm before being mounted!
Etc., et al…
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So, either PB is screwing with everyone by pretending to be 3 other users, while posting as her own user, in which case those 3 users should be insanely furious with her :eek:
or
PB is those other 3 users, in which case, well, we’ve already covered that :rolleyes:
Either way, it seems we’re on our own.
Smoky cream and perlino already can look very very similar, depending on just how diluted the black and black points got.
Dun would be hard to see on smoky cream unless you were close up and could see the slightly darker dorsal stripe - that can be very hard to see in normal pictures, and you’re almost never going to see any other dun factors - face masking, leg barring - on any but the most high resolution, clear, sharp pictures.
And roan? heck, that can be difficult to impossible to see on a palomino, much less a double dilute.
Cream (which can be homozygous), dun (which can also be homozygous but Dd doesn’t look any different from DD) and Roan ((Rr doesn’t look any different from RR) are different genes and can exist together, either in the hetero or homozygous form.
What kind of breeding?
To get smoky cream to start, both horses have to be at least Crcr (hetero Cream).
At least 1 horse has to be black-based, so Ee or EE. Both cannot be red-based (ee) because smoky cream is blackbased)
Neither horse can be AA for Agouti - both have to be either Aa or aa, in any combination.
At least 1 horse has to be dun, though DD would guarantee dun
At least 1 horse has to be roan, and RR would guarantee roan
In defense of alters -
I have two.
I have posted enough about myself, my family, my horses and my experience that anyone who actually cared to could absolutely figure out one who I was. I’m also friends in real life with several posters on this board. Not a particular concern, because I am not disruptive or controversial enough for anyone to care enough to research me.
Both my alters are CLEARLY alters; they have “alter” somewhere in the name.
The first one I created because I had some questions about a horse sale that I definitely didn’t want posted under my identifiable screen name for obvious reasons.
The second I created because I posted a DEEPLY personal anecdote in the #MeToo thread. I used the same alter to post in the Rob Gage and George Morris threads for exactly the same reason. Those posts often had a disclaimer such as “posting under an alter for obvious reasons.”
If someone really cared, which I can’t imagine they would, they could probably figure it out which screen names are my alters because my writing style is fairly distinctive. However, I rely on no one really caring enough to make the effort to match them up.
^^^^^^I believe MANY posters on this board have done something similar. And I can’t seriously believe anyone has a problem with it.
Now, creating multiple alters to post in the same thread, converse with each other or to lend support to an unpopular or controversial opinion? That crosses a line, and the line is called deception. You’re pretending to be someone you’re not in order to deceive people. Whole different thing than saying “Posting under a alter because…”`
Using the multiple alters with developed back stories just to troll people crosses another line and THAT line is called neurotic with a side order of way too much time on your hands.
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Nobody does, at least nobody who’s been posting on this topic, and many have said as much, including me.
Now, creating multiple alters to post in the same thread, converse with each other or to lend support to an unpopular or controversial opinion? That crosses a line, and the line is called deception. You’re pretending to be someone you’re not in order to deceive people. Whole different thing than saying “Posting under a alter because…”`
Using the multiple alters with developed back stories just to troll people crosses another line and THAT line is called neurotic with a side order of way too much time on your hands.
And that is exactly the problem, because no matter what definition/style of trolling PB has admitted to, it’s creepy and admitting to it should get her banned. Of course, that won’t stop her from creating a new user, but if her real self is as antagonistic as the PB user it, it won’t take long to get it figured out.
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And all her horses have impeccable ground manners.
For all her pot-stirring, I kind of like PB. I’m not going to shred her; I’ll just make sure I have a can of Morton’s on hand.
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So my understanding is that genetic wise, yes all those things can be shown in one horse, but visually, you wont necessarily see it on their coat?
Correct on both accounts 
You’re likely to see Dun if you get close enough to really see the dorsal stripe, unlikely with a cremello but a decent chance with perlino or smoky black.
But you may never see the face masking or leg barring unless they are really prominent (which is still pretty light). And it’s going to be extremely difficult to impossible to see their roan.
We banned Palm Beach and the only other account we could confirm as being hers, since she was admittedly trolling. The other accounts don’t appear to be hers, so please give those users the benefit of the doubt.
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The Moderator has spoken. Flash44 is PB, and both are banned.
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How very odd.
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It is odd. Creepy really. I’m very disappointed when people are found to be disingenuous, especially folks who have been here awhile.
I am glad however, that we have intelligent Moderators who, while they don’t run roughshod, do draw the line.
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Can I just say kudos to the OP for taking this dramatic twist in stride?
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Oh hell, poor OP. What a lovely introduction to the COTH community. :lol:
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I’m trying my best yall lmao
And thankyou for explaining that to me! My boy is believed to be a Perlino, his breeder swore up and down on it and his father was a smokey black and his mother was a buckskin. I’m trying to learn more about coats of horses and how all of that works. So seeing someone call their horse a smokey cream dun roan sounded absolutely wild to someone who has never paid any attention to coat colors before!
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This is a cool thing to play with (and mostly accurate) to help understand genes and coat colors. If you click on the genes to change them from recessive to dominant, you will see the coat and color name change, although the name doesn’t get super complicated if you add a lot of genes. If you click on show help at the bottom, it gives a very basic explanation as you hover over each gene. (For your smoky cream dun roan, you will need at least one E, two CR, at least one D, and at least one Rn. The game will only identify it as a Roan, though.)
http://www.jenniferhoffman.net/horse…-genetics.html
Perlino is a bay with 2 copies of cream (at least one E, at least one A, two Cr) and makes perfect sense coming from those two parents.
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Send in for color testing and while you are at it also ask for testing for other, to be sure he is 5 panel N/N.
If he is not, you can then be proactive about what you may have to watch for with him.
I think one of the best labs today for that is U. of Davis, your vet can help you with that.
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