You might hear someone say smoky grulla/grullo (grulla/o is black with dun), and that would be very confusing without seeing the horse. Some might say it to be smoky cream dun, but in the stock horse world they came up with all sorts of names to describe the shades of things. So, smoky grulla/o is also a shade of grulla (no cream at all), and, silver grulla is used to describe the lightest/whitest shade of grulla, no silver gene involved.
But perlino is totally possible for your guy, and I agree with the 5 panel (now 6 actually, they added IMM ) testing for your own peace of mind, if he didn’t already come with a full test.
And in the end, it doesn’t matter, unless you’re trying to be historically correct I’d much rather someone understand what grullo/a means, than get caught up on gender identity :lol:
Well, the horse coat color .
It would still be nice to know exactly what he is though. I’m also definitely going to play around on that app posted.
Glad your identity was sorted out FaithView, and welcome to the forums. I hope this hasn’t soured you on the bulletin boards here at COTH. There is such a wealth of knowledge on this board, many experienced horse people, that even though there is the occasional scuffle between people, it’s definitely been worthwhile to stick around. Just weed through the nonsense and focus on the content/information.
So PB was Flash44 and she is now banned? Glad to see the mods banned her for being deceptive. And, wow, for her actually taking it all in stride and admitting it.
Got a good pictures, in some natural light not too bright? Sometimes it’s easy to tell, sometimes they are so light it’s hard to distinguish from cremello, and sometimes they’re dark enough it’s hard to tell from smoky cream.
As a breeder, we didn’t like any colors that were light around the eyes because of sun damage, mostly squamous cell carcinomas.
Years ago there were no face masks, best that could be done is to tattoo susceptible horses and try to keep them out of the direct sun and wind and dust that irritated them more than horses with darker skin in their faces.
Several paint breeders here quit after trying for many years to raise horses with blue eyes and bald faces.
Now for a show horse kept inside, that won’t matter, but if ever pastured many hours a day in daylight, that matters.
There are some reining lines today with those bald faces and blue eyes, some even deaf ones.
Deaf can be part of those genes, as face pigment and ear structures both are activated by their genes at the same early time in the fetus stage.
Those horses also have real talent for reining, so many show breeders don’t care if their foals have blue eyes, bald faces and some are deaf, they just manage for that while enjoying their extraordinary talent.
Decades ago as a breeder you had to breed to be sure the offspring had only the more suitable genes for a good life anywhere.
Today we can breed for anything we like, but then we will have to manage so the horse doesn’t suffer for it.
That may be why you are hearing against blue eyes and some double dilutes.
Can’t tell for sure but he does look Perlino to me - creamy body, orangey mane but everything is just “soft” enough to not make me consider smoky black.
do you mean smokey cream? Smokey blacks I thought were black in color but had a single creme gene. Or something like that, single dilute I think its called?
I’d much rather someone understand what grullo/a means, than get caught up on gender identity :lol: