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I am coming in on this disscussion late and I just have to reply to one of the posts.

[I]My husband and I run a small horse farm in eastern NC. We have had our first Cremello; which was supposed to be a palomino, but may be one that broke the rules. She has pink skin, 2 blue eyes, and is VERY, VERY light; beautiful. Her dam is a Barlink mare which have been known to “hide” a creme gene in a chestnut.

Well, after reading and re-reading all postings to this topic, I learned that it is NOT possible to bred a cremello out of a chestnut mare???
Soooooo, guys, and WHY is that foal a cremello???
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That is easy. The foal is NOT a cremello.

The foal is also not a maximal sabino, although that is an extremly good guess.

That foal is actually the product of a newly discovered gene, so new it was only described in the last year.

The gene is apparently an incomplete dominant gene which has been called Barlink Factor. In a single dose, barlink factor dilutes only the skin, not the hair coat, resulting in a “normal” horse color and pink mottling of the skin. In a double dose, barlink factor produces a horse with dilute skin AND dilute hair coat, resulting in a horse which appears remarkably like a champagne of whichever base coat. MOST homozygous barlink horses which are currently known happened to be on a chestnut base and look very like a gold champange.

If you combine Barlink Factor with one cream gene, you will get a false cremello such as the foal being described. This horse is NOT a cremello as it is a product of two entirely seperate genes. It does however mimic a homozygous cream horse very well!

Please see the following link for more details.
http://www.ichregistry.com/Barlink%20article.doc

I hope this helps.

As to the other part of the discussion, i.e. if that foal is perlino or not, my conclusion is that Mahal has just wasted the money for a red factor test.

The foal appears to be a palomino. As other posters have stated, the foal does NOT have the light blue eyes of a double dilute, nor does he have the bright pink skin. Therefore he could not be a double dilute of any sort.

Due to his parentage, he can only have inherited a copy of the red gene from each parent, because that is all they have to give him.

The only way this foal could be a perlino would be if one parent was a product of the silver dilution. That said, if silver was present in this line of horses, odds are that a bay or buckskin would have popped up long ago out of apparently chestnut based horses. And if that had happened, I am sure someone would have taken note of such an odd occurance.

As to the grandparents colors effecting the color of the offsping, the foal will only recieve the genes that the PARENTS have to give. If the parent did not inherit said gene from the grandparent, the gene is not there to give.

I hope this helps!

Chelsea…I wondered about this myself, if the colt could be smokey cream. The only way this could be true is if the mare was not a cremello and actually a smokey cream. Unfortunately this could not be true as a smokey cream only occurs if the black horse has a cream gene from EACH parent. Cremello x palomino can still only result in cremello or palomino offspring.

And a second.
In movement:

Alexandra

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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Two Toofs:

Actually, depending on when she was registered and what she looked like at the time she was registered, she’s probably registered wrong. “Grey or Roan” is indeed the category that mare should be registered in - it’s grey OR roan, with the JC COAT DESCRIPTION of roan being the majority of the coat being a mixture of white with red or brown hairs. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Adding to my own previous post - if the filly has BLACK and white hairs, she’s actually has a GREY coat according to the JC coat color descrptions (typing slowly here- which has nothing whatsoever to do with the genetics of the horse - ONLY when parentage is in question does the grey or red parent genetics rules come into play) - still the same category, still registered wrong.

Two Toofs
(formerly - but still - NDANO)

Janeway - not bad!

But - I NOW have all of you beat!

I didnt want to make this public just yet, but we have the World’s First, The One and Only, the Unique and Incredible - black & palomino sabino TB.
he is a full brother to Sato, and a 1997 stallion.

If anyone would like any information on breeding to Otas - please contact me.

Thank you!

“Spot”

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More pictures:
Anriejetto–Rou’s sire

Rou’s dam

Rou’s maternal grandsire

Rou’s half brother from same dam @ 21 months

Rou 7months

Rou again at 7 months

Rou at 4 years

Rou under saddle

Just kind of fun!

But I vote grey!

Chris

Ladybug Hill–Hunters and Ponies
Specializing in Palomino TBs

ladybughillfarm.vaix.net

What a nifty birthday present !!!
And her breeding ? She really looks interesting. With what breeding societys is she registered ?
Mandy, you should know that aswell, when you made the contact.

Alexandra

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[This message was edited by alexandra on Apr. 10, 2003 at 01:03 PM.]

Oh ggold, you are not nice, I make a joke and you destoy it immediately

Actually I wanted to post about For leasure and ask whether he might be a Sabino. Thought of him at the moment I read all the info given in the posted links.
Regards

Alexandra

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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Medievalist:
my rare colored horse who is a double nondilute reverse appaloosa. Eat your hearts out, perlpalello breeders!
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What would you get if you crossed him with a
perlpalellopintaloosa? I can’t find it on the color chart anywhere.

I know Charly Chaplin. He is ridden by Chrsitoph von Daehne. Very nice horse and approved Hanoverian, too. Was thinking about breeding to him once.

Thanks Nikita, you got it !!!

Alexandra

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Here is the picture of Modern Art

here’s new pics of my gelding
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I am sorry but that colt is not even a cremello, he is a Palomino.

First of all a Perlino is born exactly the same as a Cremello with light blue eyes and pink skin , but has some darker and reddish mane and tail (look at the picture of my filly that I posted) and your colt looks exactly like some Palominos are born. In my barn Palominos are born since more than 20 years now and so I should know.

Second there are genetics! It is JUST NOT POSSIBLE that a Perlino is produced out of a Cremello and by a Palomino! AND a Perlino looks totally different, I had one born - see above - and so I know how they look.

From your picture and description, that colt is a Palomino and nothing else, wait for about a week and the nose and part around the eyes will get darker. Palominos are often born with greyish and dark blue eyes.

This is just as it is, you will have to accept it.

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you know something - that “Perlpalello” is kinda catchy! (thanks again Nikita for the laughs!)

I envision something in a pearlescent purpley colour with perhaps ice blue eyes to go along with it?

How would we make one of them?

Im thinking maybe a blue roan crossed with a perlino???

“Spot”

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Pictures of Starbuck the Perlino stallion. It clearly shows that there is no difference in color to the picture of my Perlino WB filly. And it also makes clear that the pink skin and aqua blue eyes are absolutely the same as with cremellos. Only mane and tail is darker and some kind of reddish.

http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de
Top class and exceptional colored German Warmblood Sporthorses

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Wow!
Congratulations.


Et vera incessu patuit dea. (Aenid I, 405)
And her stride revealed she was a true goddess.
~I LOVE my mares.~
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Artisticgold-- what a beautiful baby!

~AJ~
I’ve been there…that’s why I’m here.

to Aurum and Norsire:

thank you for the help.
The mare has a darker tail and she has light blue eyes as like a cremello.
At her body is also a darker shine.
I will look for another picture of her.
The sire was a palomino and but I don`t no which color was the dam.

Thank you
Mandy
Home of “Atom”
Equus Kinsky Stallion in Palomino Color

What a good looking mare. Which organisation is she registered with ?

Mahal do you have now pictures in movement of you foal ? I would love to see movement pictures. And also have a good day.

Alexandra

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