another photo
here the eye of the baby
MAHAL
First, congtrats on a healthy foal, no matter what the color!
Second, no matter how much you want that foal to be a perlino, it CAN’T be, due to GENETICS. I read up on this last night, and for the life of me, I can’t figure out why you continue to insist that your foal has defied what are “knowns” in genetics.
Your foal looks EXACTLY like the three palominos I’ve seen shortly after birth.
Why is color so important to you? Isn’t palomino a pretty enough color? Is the foal going to be less important to you if he is not what you were hoping for?
Hi Nikita,
thank you for the funny word creation in this discussion-PERLPALELLO thats great.
Aurum: sorry for the misunderstanding, my question for the hoofs was not for this Kinsky Horse, it was a general question.( it looks so as was it for this horse… 
I saw cremello horses not with socks and all the horses has white hoofs. Is this normal for this color or was it accident ?
Thank you
Mandy
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Equus Kinsky Stallion in Palomino Color
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sketcher - I think then Medievalist would have the world’s first, unique, rare, one of a kind, one and only … ta da !!!
doublepaloosaperlpalellopintoloosa!
Now Liz - I defy ANYONE else to create one of those!
I think Medievalist could keep that claim forever and ever …
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clears throat ladies and gentlemen, for your viewing pleasure I wish to introduce Reggie, the first ever
Doublepaloosaperlpalellopintoloosa!!
You can see the tell tale sign of such a colour by the black dot on his butt and white smear (yes, it’s a breeders term) on his foot. He was gelding by his last owners but he’s having a reversal on friday, breeding starts at $10,000
~ Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once ~
Mahal, I hate to burst your bubble,but from what you are descriping now, you have a palomino colt and not even a cremello. First of all, if the colt was not born with very light aqua blue eyes you don’t even have a cremello. Second a perlino will also have very light aqua blue eyes at birth. Eyes do not get lighter as they get older but darker. What you are seeing is a palomino colt with the dark greyish/blue eyes that will turn brown, just as human babies do as they get older. Thirdly you can NOT get a perlino from a palomino to a cremello, it is just geneticly IMPOSSIBBLE period!!! No one here is try to be mean, but just simply explain the very basics of color gentics as provided in the color chart for you that I gave the link to in above post. I have several foals I will post that have the same color mane as body color when they are born. Here are some examples for you.
Example 1 Dreaming In Gold, he looks alot like your colt, he was very apricot gold color as a young foal, he now has a very white mane, tail and forelock and his coat is more golden than apricot color now that he is older.
http://www.norsire.com/dreamingingold.html
Example 2 Lucky Millionair a very light palomino colt, that looks almost cremello in color.
http://www.norsire.com/lucky.html
Example 3 Gold Plus a very light palomino.
http://www.norsire.com/goldplus.html
Example 4 Wishing Well Of Gold This fillies photo’s were taken at 8 hours old. She looks like a cremello, but is a palomino, because it is genticly impossible for her to be a cremello because the mare was chestnut bred to my cremello TB stallion Zillionair…with this combo the foal can only be one color, 100% palomino. When you breed chestnut to cremello the resulting foal can only be PALOMINO 100% of the time.
http://www.norsire.com/wishingwell.html
Mahal your foal is a palomino and can not be PERLINO. I hope you understand now what I’m trying to explain and maybe the photos I posted will help you see you indeed have a palomino. You will find as he grows older, this eyes will get darker and darker and his mane, tail and forelock will turn more white and his body color will be come more golden. There are so many shades of palomino color.
When, I bred my mare Issue’s Call a chestnut to Gold Apollo, the first time I got a palomino filly. The second time, I got a very strawberry blonde/apricot gold color. I was convinced it was as very light chestnut in color so I took my mare back to breed her back for a third time, as I wanted a palomino colt to keep as a stallion prospect. When I arrived with my mare for the live cover with my “chestnut” colt, they informed me I indeed had a palomino colt and not a chestnut as I had thought. I did breed my mare back anyway and got Issue of Gold my current stallion who is the sire of my two cremellos. I did geld Golden Miracle and he turned out to be the most beautiful DARK palomino with the whitest mane, tail and forelock, I had ever seen. By the time Issue of Gold came along I had two palomino colts and then chose Issue of Gold and gelded the other palomino and sold him. So, you see foal color can fool the untrained eye. With my chestnut mare I knew I could only get two colors chestnut or palomino and I was just sure I had a chestnut. So, Mahal the moral of the story is you have a very apricot golden colored palomino colt that will show his true colors in time. Good luck with your palomino colt, he is very nice! Just don’t try to make him something, genticly impossible, which would be a perlino with a palomino to cremello mating! I truely hope you now understand what we are all trying to tell you. He is still a very nice colt! 
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[This message was edited by Norsire on Apr. 05, 2003 at 06:21 PM.]
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Medievalist - Ahhhh… but wouldn’t that be special with purple spots? 
Either way there will probably be a run on nondilute reverse appy’s in the near future. 
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well, you know, people try to tell me he’s “just a bay” because his mom was bay and his dad was bay and all his grandparents were bay. Dammit though, I know they’re wrong! I mean, just look at him! He sooooooo obviously has the double nondilute appaloosa genes. duhhhhhhhhhhhh 
I think they were just hidden behind his other genes and for some reason only show after he is clipped nekkid in october!
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artisticgold - VERY special indeed! I like her a lot!
But - - just think just how much MORE special she could be with a few strategically placed colorful spots on her rump!
“Spot”
PS - oh oh … some sand is starting to be thrown in the sandbox … 
… better stop it now or Mom (Erin!) will make us stop fighting and will send us to our rooms or corners for a time out (close the thread)
OHHHH all in excitement
well wait and see, the blood test is on the way.
For more info of my colt MODERN ART in short time.
MAHAL
and some of you wondered why I thought that palominos were contentious??
I’m with SillyMommy; this topic is just bizarre!
I don’t understand how Mahal can believe that her new foal has suddenly defied the hard core science of genetics. Actually, I’d like to here her explain how she thinks it happened!
and as someone else said above, why does it matter so much? He is a lovely foal and already an unusual colour, why wish for more than you have?
Can you people PLEASE stop sniping at each other? You all are adults, surely you can act like it…
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Here is another case in point. For once - the Jockey Club actually got this one right!
She was - genetically - a black and white sabino mare, that unfortunately LOOKED like a dark steel grey.
I advertised her as such - as a black and white TB mare.
Well - didnt I get Hellfire rained upon me from all sides from SO many people. Because she LOOKED grey, I must be intentionally deceiving people (even though with no grey parent, it was genetically impossible for her to BE a grey!). I, quite frankly, got called pretty well every name in the book from people that simply didnt have a clue how color genetics work.
It was interesting and if anyone cared, they would see in 5 or 10 or 20 years she wouldnt fade like a true grey, but would maintain this same slate color throughout her lifetime
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Actually, depending on when she was registered and what she looked like at the time she was registered, she’s probably registered wrong. “Grey or Roan” is indeed the category that mare should be registered in - it’s grey OR roan, with the JC COAT DESCRIPTION of roan being the majority of the coat being a mixture of white with red or brown hairs. If that’s the same filly you posted in the past with this story, she’s definitely appears to be a different color in that photo than in the others I’ve seen of her. She goes to the track to be tattooed and I guarantee you 150% that her papers would have to be changed before she could be tattooed. We get greys in as two year olds to be tattooed with the wrong colors on their papers all the time, and bays as chestnut, etc., etc. Doesn’t matter a flip what the genetics are unless the parentage is in question - the coat descriptions are very simple to understand if one actually takes the time to read them. And if her mother was truly indeed jet black (with NO brown hairs) then she was incorrectly registered as well. However, bits of brown hairs don’t always show up on photos and since people apparently don’t read the rule books anyway, (many think that they can’t register a TB as black - which is entirely untrue), the JC goes by what is filled out on the forms, so there are plenty of blacks registered as dark bay.
Two Toofs
(formerly - but still - NDANO)
Wow, I can’t believe that’s the same horse in each picture Ladybug Hill. That’s incredible! 
Hi Aurum,
thank you for your opinion, but this Kinsky Horse is definitly a perlino.
Please look the other pictures, you can see the red tail.
It is different to the smoky cream link who was chelsea posted.
Mandy
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Equus Kinsky Stallion in Palomino Color
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dunhorse:
I also agree that Marfil looks to be a palomino going grey. If you would like to look at another confirmed palomino going grey, go to Ladybughills site, http://ladybughillfarm.vaix.net/ , and check out Rou under past horses.
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I do want to ask a serious question. The owner that bought Rou from me as a colt has decided after speaking to a genetics expert that he is actually a silver dapple on palomino.
His dam was a JC TB mare (palomino) and the sire was Anriejetto a grey dutch stallion. Of course the grey could hide the dominant silver dapple gene, but he should produce 50% silver dapple offspring. I have seen quite a few Anriejetto foals and have never seen one that looked silver dapple, but the owner of Rou claims that she has.
Any of you experts out there on Silver Dapple know whether Anriejetto was a known carrier of this gene?
On another note, Mahal, your colt, who is gorgeous, is colored just exactly like the palomino foals that I have had. Palomino in my opinion is so much more beautiful than the double dilutes, even if not as valuable as breeding animals. Congratulations on your healthy, beautiful foal!
Chris
Ladybug Hill–Hunters and Ponies
Specializing in Palomino TBs
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If you bothered to read the above information, you would know trhat the answer to that is PERLPALELLO! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
ya know I SAW that but I couldn’t figure out where it came from or who said it!! THANKS for clearing that up…
HOORAY–it’s a filly!!!
Here is a fairly accurate description and photos of a medicine hat:
http://www.equiworld.net/uk/horsecare/Breeds/medicinehathorse/index.htm
Liz Hall silverwoodfarm.com
Pinto & Colored Warmbloods Stallions
spotacular - thats nothing …
How about our buckskin’s that are registered as “bays” and our palomino’s AND cremello’s that are registered as chestnuts (not even LIGHT chestnuts, mind you - but plain chestnut! ) in the Jockey Club stud book, since buckskin’s and palomino’s don’t even exist in their eyes!
My palomino colt I tried to register as “Obviously A Palomino” and they would not allow it. It was an unsuitable name as everyone KNOWS that there is no such thing as a palomino TB !
“Spot”
Atom do you have a conformation shot of Jasmina? Really hard to tell the quality of a horse from a head shot.
Alexandra you always make perfect sense to me, and you must keep posting as I love to see your beautiful foals.
My question was why Mahal would bring up a seperate breed from what Aurum breeds for, as perhaps an arguement that someone had been doing it longer than she had.
adults smadults! Very amusing! Oh and beautiful horses all around everyone!!!
Am very pleased with myself that I have 4 very boring colours horses 
~ Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once ~
Too funny Norsire
You have to admitt this post has become like a train wreck you just have to look to see what MAHAL will come up with next. I can almost see her out there in a few weeks with some kind of hair dye to make certain this colt is a perlino 
I think the site I posted is easier to understand it has little coloured horses to look at for the crosses so even a two year old could figure it out.
http://www.horsecolor.com/dilutions/cream/foal_chart.htm
CremelloxPalomino=PERLPALELLO Nikita did it she invented a new colour!!!
As far as the post about the mare with the hidden creme gene…those foal pictures look like a maximum expressed Sabino to me. I wonder what the filly looked like after she shed out her foal coat.
